Tom Sawyer talks about reincarnation. Recorded in March, 1990. Duration: 1h 49mins. (27 pages)

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normal clothes. I’m reading a book. Hey, good book by the way. Uh, The Seat of the Soul. It’s uh quite new. Who’s the author? Came out. uh Gary Zuka who wrote the dancing woolly masters which I’ve championed for a long time as a science book kind of science overlaid into or inner inter interlaced into spirituality or spirituality interlaced into science. Um, this book I was just reading, it’s just a question. We’re going to try to talk into reincarnation, but we’ll start

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here because it has a question here that I kind of kind of caught my eye. And it says, “Does non-physical reality exist?” Well, if you’re watching this tape, hopefully you have some inkling that there’s a feasible or possibility non-physical reality to this thing we call uh uh the human condition. And uh this book also deals with the the five sensory personality which is basically all of us but they’re segmenting the fact that a lot of people scientists atheists self-proclaimed

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atheist because I don’t believe there really is an atheist. I haven’t met any yet. I’ve met a lot of people think. Yeah. Think that they are. Claim that they are and I’ve never met a real one yet. But at any rate, uh they typically using just their five senses like prove it to me and it can’t exist if you can’t prove it and vice versa. So this um gives a question in regards to the question does non-physical reality exist says uh proof of non-physical reality does not exist in the dimension of the

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rational that the rational mind seeks it. Therefore, when you ask from the perspective of a five sensory personality, does non-physical reality exist? What you really are asking is if I cannot prove the existence of non-physical reality, do I decide that it is nonsensical, do I decide that there is no answer or do I expand myself to the level at which the answer can be given? are your own limitations. Well, yeah, that’s very true. And you know, we’re going to attempt to talk into into reincarnation.

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Um, make an attempt anyway. And one of the problems is that you’re dealing with a non-physical reality. knows the mechanics of reincarnation in that if any of that is true well that means that each of us paying attention now hearing this tape is in an incarnation. So from that perspective we are here and this is what we call reality. Can we bear assume or prove or disprove the existence of a reality that we have no measurements for? There’s no no recollection, no conscious memory of no provable no provable recollection,

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right? But sometimes we have the memory where they come. And of course my uh famous cautions of past life regression toward getting an answer of reincarnation is that be awfully careful that the regression that you are doing is not simply and I say uh you know as opposed to more intensively um just simply a clairvoyant functioning of a ner another person, place, thing, or time that could be construed as a previous incarnation because all of the measurements that you will gain from a past life regression acting only

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clairvoyantly is identical to a bonafide past life regression. Okay. So what you’re saying by this really important to me being doing regression is that if the hypnotist or the person who’s guiding someone back isn’t careful the person could pick on up on uh universal knowledge which could be anybody’s life. Yes. Right. Rather than on their particular life remember and the fact that they are functioning flare voyantly in the true sense of the word that they are being in the eyes of King

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George that they are feeling what King George felt that they’re knowing intimate personal details that they can see the secret passageway uh the secret mistress things that are both provable but are rare in history and nonprovable in history but are assuredly known by the person experiencing that that can be done clairvoyantly. So you wouldn’t have had to have been that person to remember some of that. And uh coming back from a past life regression or being on a conscious level having had a past life

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regression, you might very well have gone into a past life of yours. If it be totally or characteristically, in other words, that you have gained a characteristic from this previous lifetime or this person of a previous lifetime, it might very well be. But the words that you will come back saying, the sentences and the proof that many people use as proof of uh reincarnation or past life regression or in fact that it was my past life or your past life. The sentences they say are not proof at all. They’re an inclination

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that there is a possibility of that. So we’re back to what can we prove and what can we disprove. And one of the problems that we have a tendency to do is either sit around and wait and wish and read books and wait for somebody to tell us such as me trying to tell you right now of the existence of this thing called reincarnation. When in fact we each of us individually either have not had the opportunity or simply are not for any number of excuses or no excuse at all. uh expanding our mind, expanding our

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ability to see knowledge, to gain knowledge in a level or a capacity at which that level that information will be explainable or seeable um difficult subject. Well, if we go right back to say most of us that are viewing this film, we’re probably brought up in Christian faith where reincarnation is not acceptable or it’s just beginning to expand to open the possibility. Yeah, I have to interrupt because in Catholicism in the Vatican there are voluminous papers and scriptures and things like that on

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reincarnation. That’s what I was alluding to. I know in Shirley Mlan’s book she said that there was a conscious effort u politics politics. Yeah. That took all all uh reincarnational information out of the Bible. little more power, a little more man-made power, a little more control, control of the masses. That was the reason. No doubt. I mean, sad as it might be for, you know, a spiritual conversation, uh that is the reality of of the politics of so many churches, so many religions that um that if you have

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more than one lifetime to work out your problems, you may not have to go to your minister. Yeah. Yeah. That’s another tremendous tremendous fallacy on the part of people’s attitude who seem to think or in fact do have a recognition or an understanding or let’s just leave it as a fervent belief uh regarding reincarnation that oh well since I’ve come from many lifetimes and I have many lifetimes to go if I screw this time up I have another chance. And that is invalid because that’s totally

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uh disregarding the fact that life is precious any life any segment of life. And one of the things that I would wish for anybody to do and again I have to refer to the that book the feet of the soul because it has a chapter on reverence and for any of us to get in a conversation like this. We should be at our individual highest level of reverence for life. Reverence in general not just the dictionary definition either but a true reverence for any aspect of life. For instance, a dialogue that I might uh talk about is

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reincarnation of a characteristic as opposed to an entire personality as opposed to an entire soul. Now, we’ll have to use those terms. So, I think I’ll start out by giving a quick definition of a characteristic doesn’t need need much of a definition. than others. I have a characteristic of being what? Something uh overbearing, obnoxious, um controlling. Well, in control. That’s a characteristic mine. Always has been uh I was obsessively in control for 33 years of my life. That’s a

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characteristic. Some people are selfish. Some people are No, there’s any characteristic. So, it doesn’t really need an explanation. In other words, it’s an aspect of you. It not the entire you. In other words, you can be a very loving, wonderful person and have a characteristic that is absolutely intolerable to everybody else around you. All right? And vice versa. If you have many characteristics that are obnoxious or intolerable, you still can be a loving human being. And maybe one

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or two characteristics are uh more valuable or more recognizable as divine in nature or more pleasant, more pleasing, and that a vast majority of your characteristics are obnoxious or intolerable. Then we would say his or her personality thinks or is intolerable. In other words, your personality personality is made up of several characteristics. Well, your personality is made up of all of your characteristics and then generally the majority of the characteristics will make up your personality. Uh so we have a little problem there

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where you can have a couple of bad characteristics and still have a wonderful personality because a personality is a larger measurement of many measurements and it’s an overall view. In other words, what is his or her personality? Well, you don’t list all of the characteristics when you say, “Oh, his personality is nice.” Or, “He has a wonderful personality.” You might say, “Well, he has an obnoxious personality that I just can’t tolerate.” And you may only be picking

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on one or two or a few of his characteristics. Or the reverse might be true that it could be many characteristics. So, it’s a more ambiguous measurement, but it is a valid measurement and that a person’s personality is not necessarily all of your characteristics, but it might be all of your characteristics. Having said that, the word soul is the more universal unified field theory in action. Uh as a matter of fact, it is um it’s a more universal wholeness of the being. You are a human being. Well,

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a human being what a human being the soul incarnate in the human form and you are being a personality. You are also being at least one or more of your characteristics all of the time. You can be one characteristic as sleeping or you can be one characteristic as loving or outgoing or introverted or quiet. Those are all characteristics. Your personality may or may not be shown in doing one or two or more of those characteristics at any one time. But if another person is around you long enough or intensively enough or

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intimately enough, you the the other person will have a judgment of your personality. And then if those are typical characteristics that you have shown that person by tick focal I mean usual on a long-term basis and so on that that will give an indication to your personality but none of those measurements are worth very much at all toward your soul. And one of the problems is that all of your worst characteristics collected altogether, measured accurately and collected by the best judged judges in the world, uh the

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best judged people or uh all the measurements that we use to measure either a characteristic or a personality. If you had all of those together, it shows nothing of the soul. Now, one of the things that I want to claim and state is that the soul of you being a female and redhead and just another redhead. Um, no, the the your soul is certainly incarnate in your personality. Your personality is the red head, the person, the female charact uh sex, the gender um along with all of your characteristics. Now, they are

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different in many ways, a lot of ways, maybe even a majority of the ways than my characteristics and my personality, but our souls are quite identical. In other words, can you tell the difference between one cup of light to another cup of light? And on that level, of course, we all we think a majority of us think of the um the singular God as the light. In other words, the trinity, the oneness of the trinity is God. And God is the oneness. God is the light. God is light. Right? all those words and they all mean

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about the same thing or close enough that for this talk we’ll say it that way and we’ll say that that oneness that light is the universal unconditional love state of God. It’s the only other description that we can give to God other than possibly se segregate unconditional love and then say life or but anyway it’s all meaning the same thing. In other words, the state of unconditional love is light. Light is unconditional love, spiritual light at least. And that that is God. Okay? Now,

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a singular soul has the same power. Now, listen carefully because you have to hear the next couple of sentences to qualify. You know, don’t ever quote Tom Sawyer saying a singular soul has the same power as God. Well, I’m saying that that you have exactly the same intensive power as God. You have the same potential as God. I mean, here we’re getting close to making that statement that you or I are God, that we are God within the human condition. All right? So, let me build off this to qualify it.

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that the oneness of the whole or the wholeness of the one being God is ultimately powerful. You cannot conquer, divide or diminish unconditional love. It exists omnipresently omnipotently or however they say all those things. Um and that’s true and it exists like that. If you take one cup, a cup full of God, you have God in the cup. That can’t be diminished at all. Now if God by God’s own infinite wisdom and laws and so on decided or decides to allow a few gleams or a cup of light to be used in such a way as a soul

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and for the purpose of incarnating into the human condition to our level. The light involved in that and there is light involved in that is not that there is no light involved. There is light involved and our soul is that light is that one cup that small amount of that which was purely divinely God. It has the full power of that one gleam of light has the same illuminescence, the same unconditional love, the same power of God. So Tom, does that mean then if each soul has a cup of the light of God in

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then every soul is being equal to every other soul that no one is more highly above than another? Yeah. Basically from our perspective that’s true and that on the soul level there is no greater soul. I know we sometimes use that word and say oh he’s a highly evolved soul. The soul doesn’t evolve the personality does already right and I want to maintain the word the soul for what it is. I mean, we misuse well I’m stating that for this conversation at least to um to state that the soul evolves at all is not

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correct. So in other sentences that we’re used to having heard or that we have sometimes uh said that uh he or she is a highly vowed soul or your soul has a long ways to go, right? We can’t say those sentences. we then have to start to focus on which I’m wishing for which I’m asking for uh in this talk is that to to recognize personality your personality can be evolved highly evolved lesser evolved no evolvement at all you’re just stagnant you have the ability to create negative

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karma to go backwards so to speak you can have be born with a certain personality and characteristics and so on that can be culturally conditioned or decommissioned, if you will, and uh go pretty much backwards. You can actually lose a little bit and your actual evolvement to a spiritual recognition, a spiritual reality and so on. Um it’s not just as simple as, well, I’m going to be a carpenter this time and next time I’d be strictly an intellectual. It’s not that simple. You have the human

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potential of evolving within your personality and practically any and all of those things. Now you can be limited by for instance cultural conditioning, socioeconomical class systems that the world exists. I mean can that little starving child in the become a physicist? I don’t think it would be realistic. It’s not completely impossible but it’s unrealistic. And I I I physicist are that whether they’re loving. I mean that’s the bottom line. Well, yes. In other words, if they can

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recognize their own potential for love and then ultimately become that love, then that’s the greater scheme of things rather than to become rich or poor or another again the external power type accomplishments. In other words, if you have more money than I, are you highly more highly evolved? Well, certainly not. We know that suicide rate for instance is greater in psychologists and psychiatrists than they are in um mundane workers uh menial type tasks such as shoveling stone or the farmer type stuff, meaning um physical work

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that doesn’t require um it’s hands on instead of heads on. And that’s not true. That happiness and love is um not relevant to um either a socioeconomical class or cultural conditioning or accomplishment external accomplishment. In other words, internally should you take a lesser of a job meaning employment and be happy and I’m telling you that yes you should. You should always test yourself and you should strive to do more, get better, get more money, therefore be more financially secure so that you can have

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little spare time to listen to tape recordings and things things of this nature. Um, but as a matter of fact, yeah, should you take that higher paying job and be miserable or should you be poorer financially and be happy? I mean, why should I even answer? And if you’re listening to this tape and you’re considering that, well, I should leave you alone and let you consider it. So from your point of view with your experience as having been part of the life, what is your description? What is your

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definition of reincarnation? Oh goodness. Here we go with a simple definition. wealth it is opportunities to um evolve through more than one personality. Now again I’m stating the personality is a combination of characteristics of yourself which makes up your personality and then to go through more than one personality because see I’m using the word personality meaning who you are in other words like your as I incorrectly say your entire epistemology mean everything that you are um and in that way my definition of

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reincarnation is that um your personality is this who you are at this time and that it can be reincarnated as an entirely different personality with the same right and with an equal soul. In other words, either the same soul or an equal soul having nothing to do with evolvement on that level. Uh it also can uh in other words in this conversation we can say that a reincarnation that a person dies and goes totally homogeneous back into the light that is reasonably improbable to have a reincarnation either either considering

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it prior it was a past life or a future life that you will be reincarnated or that you have been reincarnated into this current personality. Right? It’s improbable. It is not usual that that takes place. It is more usual that uh you die or transform into spirituality which is not totally homogeneous with the light but remain in a realm of the earth plain. And by that I mean in other words within the earthly confines of the human condition with an attachment of sorts to the human condition. and that that may take place

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many times. The proverbial 10,000 lifetimes in Buddhism is a little ridiculous in my opinion. I mean, they’ve picked a number that is extraordinary for the purposes of teaching. If it be an exact number, of course, that is ridiculous as saying, let’s count the number of personalities. So, that you leave your body behind. You go into the spirit realm and if you haven’t learned everything you should, you take on another body. You keep doing that and your soul ready to go into the light and your soul is maintained

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throughout. In other words, as you transform, your soul does not get bigger or smaller, nor does it go totally homogeneous back with the light usually. Um, on the other hand, you carry with you characteristics of your personality. And the most simplistic example that I can give is say the phrase burning off bad karma means that you have characteristics that are uh malicious uh non-loving uh judgmental overly this too much that too much this and therefore you have to get rid of that or deal with

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that. It doesn’t mean that you literally burn it up or anything but you have to deal with it. You have to recognize it. You have to face it and you have to become that. And then if it is uh degradation, you have to upgrade it. And if it’s an accolade, an over accolade, then you have to get a little humiliation in there to become a little more humble. For instance, like some people think that if you, you know, killed lots of cats in your last time, that in the next lifetime, but it could be if you killed

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lots of cats in your lifetime, then you’ll be such a lover of cats that you’ll take in Um, also I I I’ve never been comfortable Yeah. I’ve never been comfortable with this idea that many people have that whatever you do bad this time, you’re going to come back and have to deal with it and in the form of a punishment or a retribution or a rectification. Um there is characteristics like that talking characteristics of reincarnation that there is a cause and effect relationship there that you will be

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given the opportunity. See everything is opportunities. It’s difficult to comprehend that if you uh had phobias in a prior lifetime that you still have to deal with those phobias and why should you be bothered with such a thing if you learn there’s the key that in fact you didn’t learn or you didn’t totally comprehend and it doesn’t mean that you have to accumulate all of this knowledge and all of these experiences but more than less it’s like that it’s more realistically like that than

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So if you’ve learned from the lesson it situation recycle for the learning process, you can learn something. You can learn something and not become it. Yeah. Now I would prefer you to think in terms of learn it to the degree that you can become it. And if it’s a bad thing, you can become that bad thing and then overcome it. You have to become it to overcome it. In that realm, just to learn that, oh, I was a seamstress in this lifetime. Therefore, I’m never going to do any sewing again or anything like that

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anymore or I have no need or desire or doesn’t work that way. It may have been just a prerequisite. Uh also there is uh characteristics that have been brought into your incarnation that could be from many personalities. Yeah. uh the progedy prodigy children, the u uh scenarios like that. Um uh idiot savant uh certain forms of genius or intensities of genius, certain forms of retardation in fact are not a mistake per se. They’re just a mix and match of characteristics and personalities. So the child that can sit down and play

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a piano at the age of five is bringing through personality from previously. All right. And again, I just want to correct you for the conversation, not the personality, but that characteristic of the previous personality. In other words, you can accumulate characteristics from your personality of previous lifetime. And another thing that I don’t know if it’s ever been talked about, I don’t know if I can. It’s one of my difficult things that I know and I can’t emulate it. So I’ll

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try. Is that this distortion of time that I’ve talked about before where everything is in the isness of the now. There is no past and there is no future in in true spirituality. That’s a construct of man, therefore elusory, therefore not an actual reality. Well, all that is true and there is no such thing as time. Now, having said that, if there is no future and there is no past, am I saying that a personality of the future could be affecting you now? And I am saying that and that is something that I haven’t seen in any

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books or anything because you know people will show me books on reincarnation and the eagerness for me to talk about reincarnation as I see it and give at least my opinions and my knowledge on the subject. That’s one of the points that first of all there’s you could be learning from your future. You sure? And you can have characteristic of your future personality and and I don’t see any problem with that. And I know that pe you know people listening or watching this are going to say, “Oh, just about

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the time I had a linear type thing to memorize and a linear type thing that well if 1500 years ago I was King George. Now I see why I’m so puggnacious.” uh or again dealing with characteristics and I don’t mean to confuse anybody but I can’t do justice to saying anything without saying but all futures probability so you’ve got like five oh now you’re starting to see that this is a very complicated subject because that’s true that future scenarios are not absolute and that free will uh

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changes, subtle manipulation at different spiritual realms can change your future characteristic and personality. So, if you’re here now dealing with a future personality or a characteristic of a future personality, what happens if it doesn’t come true? Was that really a characteristic of a future personality? Well, the answer to all these things is yes all the way down the line. You are all of your probable, you know, and you will be responsible for I don’t mean that to say watch out, you’re going to be

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responsible, so don’t be bad. I mean, that’s a power of positive thinking, you know, a good thing to say to maintain uh you know, it’s better to be good than bad. But the answer is yes that you will be responsible for everything everything you ever consider every characteristic and every denial of a characteristic. I mean we are all famous for that. I mean all my life practically all my life I’ve denied characteristics that I just refused I should say now of being able to see clearly. In other

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words, damn it. I was right. I was justified. I was righteous. And yet what was the intent? What was the actual intention? The true honest intention was to love. And I’m saying this of a particular time in my life was to love. But what did I do? I hurt instead. My intentions were to love, but my actualities were to hurt because of a whole series of justifications, righteousness. In other words, did I have expectations of my wife Elaine and and did they meet my actual experiences? Well, when that

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did not take place and it doesn’t take place a lot of times for all of us. I mean, every one of us have either over or under expectations, and they’re not fulfilled because our daily or minute-by-minute experiences would never be able to accomplish that because of our our ability to fantasize to create fantasies and so on that are unrealistic or non-just or noncorrect or just aren’t suitable or appropriate. And that if we’re dealing with rel something like a relationship like I mentioned with uh my

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wife Ela and I uh it’s very unrealistic to have very many expectations at all because I’m expecting things that she’ll deal with in her free will. Here’s another one. In terms of reincarnation, I’ve met two different women who thought they were the same personality in history. Is that possible? Yeah. Um, all right. The linear way of thinking of that is the answer that that would be highly improbable. Now, I would suggest anybody that runs into that dilemma situation or that circumstance to really

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get a little more intelligent, a little more realistic. Could they both be just like linking into universal knowledge? Well, they could be linking into a characteristic that is identical. I mean, how are you or any one of us to differentiate an identical type characteristic? So, I mean, if you’re looking at a beautiful sunset and you say something about that sunset, is it the same sunset that I’m also talking about? And can we both learn the identical lessons from that same subject? Yes, we can. So, as opposed to

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being totally offensive, but again, what I would say to anybody that runs into that, um, get a little more realistic about where did you get that measurement from? Not where, meaning the place, but in what mindset? How did you do it? Was it a past life regression? Was it sudden intuitive knowledge? Uh, did you read it out of a book? Was it a genealogical trait? Isn’t it funny people that say a past life regression, they don’t even bother following their genealogical trait? Because granted, most of us can

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only back for be able to follow that back four or five generations accurately at all, but there’s things there to learn. And I’ll give you a perfect example. I’ve heard people say, “In a past life, I was an alcoholic.” All right? I didn’t have any problem with that. I thought, “Well, that’s interesting. I hope that you learned something. Use it wisely. Don’t condemn yourself for it or don’t brag about it. It’s neither here nor there. And you’re not in that lifetime. You’re

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in this lifetime. This is what you have to deal with and this is the priority. Okay. But isn’t it funny that I found out that that same person either did or did not have any alcoholism at all in their family tree. And let’s be realistic. That’s more probable as having either a problem or a minimum uh opportunity for a problem of alcoholism. Meaning a problem with alcohol is more genealogical than it is spiritually enhanced by the way of reincarnation of a characteristic of a prior lifetime. So

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what’s the value of looking into your life? Well, first of all, at any reading any book, getting into any kind of additional knowledge that you’ve not not been exposed to before, that’s always a value. Um, you can get mind boggled and bogged down with too many things too fast. But generally, any new and interesting information is just that, new and interesting, and it’ll have a tendency to stimulate your growth. It may be boring. You may say, “Oh my goodness, I spent so much so many hours

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reading this dopey book of a thousand pages and it’s just about fairies and dungeons and dragons type stuff and you say, “Wow, I could have done this or that in that length of time.” Now, don’t be hard on yourself. Don’t be judgmental. That was a process that you went through and here we go with talking about what we did in the past. What does it mean right this minute and what does it mean in the next minute? And I mean, always go for the progress. Go for If it’s a bad experience, well, you’ve

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learned several things. If it’s a good experience and it’s repetitable and those if you’re able to repeat it, well, test it. Try to repeat it. Definitely have a tendency to not try to repeat something that is negative or bad or had a bad result. And if people use any inclination of reincarnation, that that’s what I would prefer. I mean, I see a lot of people, oh, just flying off on a tangent, getting obsessive and possessive and oneupsmanship. Well, oh, you were only this. Well, I was. And

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sometimes our ego gets fed by power of suggestion. Well, yeah, I think I can claim this one, too. And that’s not true. I mean, generally, if you have to decide in that in that way, well, it’s it’s close enough. It’s pretty close. The just still know. I mean, be more scientific about it. Be as sure as you can be. And then the bottom line is of what value is any of that? Well, one of the greatest uh things that I’ve ever uh experienced through other people with having a any realization of a past life

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characteristic is say dealing with a phobia and it has helped and therefore cured a current phobia of individuals. Rah, big deal. That is a big deal for that individual. But so what does that all mean? In other words, now that they’re cured of this particular characteristic, what about their personality? And how has that fit into their personality? Well, it’s helped their personality a little bit because they no longer have a phobia, but that’s only a drop in the bucket. Well, I suppose so. If somebody has an

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incredible fear of crowds or incredible fear of agrophobia of not going out or a fear of height or whatever and if they go through um hypnosis towards trying to find out where that comes from. You realize in a previous lifetime you were pushed off a cliff or you were you were you know suffocated or or a crowd stoned you to death or whatever. If you can put it in your past and go on and do things and let it go, love it for what it was. Love it and let it go. Love it as a learning experience alone and let it go and

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abracadabra, so to speak, because it can happen that quickly, right? But an person could also say, well, since I was stoned in a previous lifetime by a crowd, that’s why I’m afraid of crowds, so I’m still going to say, you know, sometimes they don’t take it for. Yeah. And the other thing, again, There’s more warnings about reincarnation than anything else. It’s probably by my perspective. What I can share outwardly with you is that um you know be aware that you will be given it’s love. It’s not punishment or

00:41:02 – 00:42:03
anything else. You will be given enough opportunities to square things away. There’s a military phrase that says squared away, good to go. And only at such time as you’re really squared away are you good to go. And I mean, I kind of like that because, you know, we we’ve got all of our baggage, all of our stuff there that we’re dealing with, all of our righteousness and justification. Well, I’m calling you a jerk only because you called me a jerk first. And I have to teach you, well,

00:41:32 – 00:42:46
wait a minute. You know who decided you had to be the teacher for that person at that moment? And are you really attempting to be that person’s teacher or are you just lashing out because you’ve been hurt? And how does that fit into any kind of true love? How does that fit into love? Okay. Another thing that comes to mind is when you take the brand new baby born, there’s two schools of thought. One is that child was created in the image of God and and is perfect. Like you say, the soul is

00:42:09 – 00:43:25
light, you know, no better, no I mean perfect, no less than any other. And then you grow up thinking I’m a reflection of God and I do my best and that the other school of thought is that baby is carrying all the sins of the parents or the sins of the past lifetimes or whatever and has to sort of crawl its way out of the muck and mire of negativity to find it spirituality. what it was going to begin with that was spiritual and the problem is the answer is yes to all the above. Now you said all the muck and

00:42:47 – 00:44:18
mire and the sins carry both carry all this stuff but didn’t they equally and also bring in characteristics and acknowledgements of other personalities that just make that irrelevant and that this incarnation having carried any and all of that is the the opportunity to deal with all of that and of course uh love and get rid of or cast off all the negative all the bad stuff and enhance and enjoy and uh uh well enhance is a good word into more and more and better and better. So as a parent of a child to say either you’re a

00:43:33 – 00:44:55
sinner and you have to work out of all that or you’re a child of God and you have to let that shine. Both of those statements can be true at the same time. Sure. I’ll call you. Okay, that answer question for me because there’s so many again so many spiritual I mean it ends up being so much more confusing than you can’t do you can’t do it in one tape. You can’t do it in one book. [Music] staring at you looking ask me a question or something. Um maybe what we can do is sort of wind

00:44:31 – 00:45:53
up for the moment because I know the subject of reference as well. Is there anything else? Yeah, as a matter of fact, I don’t think we can go off on a t I can’t go off on a tangent right now and just reference. I would wish to and like to, but I don’t think that I can right now. you know, just I’m mind right now with the all of the actualities of reincarnation and um you know it’s not a linear thing. It it’s so many knots and that see one of my problems is I’m famous for my analogies and so on and

00:45:13 – 00:46:30
there is no analogy to this. I mean it’s it’s outside of time and yet we can can’t help but think of it in terms of past and future and this incarnation. So the language breaks down regarding that it’s it has to do with unconditional love of God creating this and then you’re dealing with cause and effect. You’re dealing with good and bad righteousness. We’re being judgmental just by dealing with the subject itself. So in other words, in in wallowing in our actualities, our

00:45:49 – 00:47:08
reality, we are in that mindset that disallows a recognition of the scope of reincarnation itself. Know the intensity. The whole story is so big. It’s so involved. In fact, that’s that’s the book that will that’s the only book that will be many more pages than my biography. I mean, it’s it’s just it’s just so much. So, it’s such I mean, maybe we don’t have to try to grasp the whole reality of the truth of it all. I know when my mom was dying, I thought, “Oh, well, she’ll pass over

00:46:30 – 00:47:36
into spirit and then she’ll know it.” You know, and her prejudice against other races and her prejudice against other class of people with less money or more money that’ll be all cleared up because once she spirit she’ll have all the truth and all the answers and and there would be a probability toward that. I mean I would prefer to call then if she were born into another body she wouldn’t remember it all. Well, right one of our problems now there’s our right here right now. Why then? Why?

00:47:03 – 00:48:18
What is reincarnation all about? None of us bring in the memory bank. Well, I I think what we should have done in the beginning is saying that reincarnation is an opportunity to reach a goal. What is that goal? The goal is true self-realization. Now, self-realization starts out at realize all of your characteristics. All of them. Some aren’t so fun. Does do you ever sword fight? No, I only respond when she yells at me. you know, wait a minute. So, so you glared at her and she responded so that you could, you know,

00:47:41 – 00:49:05
again, so you deal with your characteristics and so on. Uh, and then self-realization goes into that. Wow, you’ll do a great and wonderful thing if you can ever truly realize your self personality. In other words, your your larger self, your greater self, all of your characteristics, your true self. Wait a minute. That’s only the beginning. Self-realization is that you are a soul. And yet I don’t know of anybody who has a a very good image at all. And I see I even said image an image

00:48:21 – 00:49:46
of know me for me my soul knows my whole self. Well, my whole self and that what proportion is my personality in relationship to my soul? Well, I do have a measurement that I’ll share with you and it’ll be ambiguous enough that it can’t offend anybody. Is that if my characteristic is 1% a characteristic is 1% of my characteristic and all of my characteristics is my personality. My personality is only about 5% of my soul. So I mean that gives you an idea of the minuscule thing that we think

00:49:04 – 00:50:10
that which we are. Well, we’re all of this and all of that and all this other stuff. And I’m stating that at any given time and actually for me sitting here right now, I wouldn’t give myself credit as truly knowing myself even on a personality level. And it was that which the psychologists say, “Well, you will come to know all of yourself.” And I say, “Baloney, that’s the psychology level. God bless them and what they’re trying to do. I mean, uh, I kind of like my

00:49:40 – 00:50:38
track record better than any any of theirs.” And I’m not really condemning them, but I am putting them in their place. And psychology doesn’t know much of anything. Very few psychologists recognize a soul or a spiritual being at all. So you’re blinding yourself of 95% of your actuality. In other words, you’re blinding yourself. You’re you’re covering up your eyes and saying it’s there. Now I’m going to try to see what it’s like to have a beautiful sunset

00:50:09 – 00:51:33
with your eyes covered up. Wait a minute. Don’t cover up your eyes. That’s what you use. That’s the instrument that you use it. And your soul is the instrumentation of God being human or a human being being God. It’s the instrument that’s used. The instrument for your characteristics is your personality. And of course, the human body is the physical manifestation and the house, if you will, or the instrument of your brain. And therefore your mind is your mind is the connectedness between your soul

00:50:51 – 00:52:21
self and your mind and your brain. Your brain is the psychology connectedness to your psychology that which interconnects your mind and your brain. And your psychology can function uh either biochemically or spiritually enhanced. All of a sudden you have a feeling of glory and glee and utopia. Are you actually perceiving a teardrop from God’s eye or are you perceiving a biochemical uh function of beta endorphins? Uh you know in other words are you just stimulating nerve endings or are you having a create creative

00:51:36 – 00:52:54
uh glorious feeling of creativity? That’s what they say about near, right? Well, right. And both are true, by the way. I’ve never denied that. Uh, a large portion, a good portion, a percentage portion of many of the experiential actualities of any near-death experience are biochemically induced. the first three or four or five stages depending on what research group you’re g getting the numbers from. Um the feeling of complete easement was the pain and pressure was gone. I felt at ease. I felt like I

00:52:15 – 00:53:31
could just pop out of my body and I did up to that point. Fine, I’ll go along with biochemical uh produce analesic flow of beta endorphins and eneins and uh opiates and all that sort of stuff. And it works that way and that’s how it’s designed. That’s you know God designed it to do that. All right? And it does that by God. But what I want to tell you also equally and often simultaneously or irrespective of that this can take place you can also be inspired spiritually speaking. And that

00:52:53 – 00:54:11
is not just that you arrange certain biochemicals just right and with the right um amount of electricity so to speak that you got this utopian feel utopia feeling. It can be inspired spiritually and then a characteristic of yours in this personality could be um biochemically we are learning that some people that are happy all the time there is a brain functioning that does that and that they can compare medically and scientifically right down to the part of the brain and either the missing uh link

00:53:32 – 00:54:47
so to speak the missing parts or the missing flow of biochemical stuff is just the opposite. And a person who is uh manically depressed and that they are manipulating that in curing the manically depressed and and um assisting people to be happier. And this is in the very near future if we continue as we are. And that’s all okay. But that doesn’t deny at all that those same individuals, if they come in contact with their soul, if they have any recognition, any perception at all of the actuality of

00:54:10 – 00:55:27
the soul self instead of just sticking with this 5% of the physical stuff that makes us alive, makes us function. I mean, you can take a skate, you know, another swims in the ocean, a little skate, and after it’s been dead for hours and hours and hours, even days, if it hasn’t really rotted, and put electrodes on it and have it swim. Now, does that mean that the skate is alive and swimming? The skate will be reacting electronically to biochemical only and there will not be spirituality there.

00:54:49 – 00:56:08
Again, we know that, you know, most of us realize that there’s spirituality in everything, but it has uniquely escape as being an animal. Uh it is only uh reacting to biochemical stimulus stimuli. And then a lot of us think that uh we’re not really in love. We’re just biochemically being stimulated into this romantic love, this lustful love. And both is true. Both is very true. I mean, you can be stimulated biochemically only and you can be in a piss poor mood. Um, and but the other is is true and that

00:55:28 – 00:56:46
makes it glorious because that’s the reward if you will. If you ever think in terms of rewards or Okay. When you had your near-death experience and you went out of body, left body, did you have a sense of being the other 95% of yourself? Yeah, very much so. Well, I I mean, I want to caution anybody listening to this. You’re you asked me. I’m asking you personally. Um, the answer is yes. Um, it’s fair to say, even though I don’t like to say, that of the people that I’ve been

00:56:08 – 00:57:26
involved in research, and a goodly proportion, more than 50% of the other near-death experiencers that I’ve either met personally or known or or learned from through the research, that statement would not be true. uh even though in their sentences they say that they become one with their soul and in other sentences the terminology the words uh judgmentally I would say that a vast majority of those people um far enough into the mere state I don’t want to criticize or condemn them because they experience something

00:56:52 – 00:57:53
twice as much or 100 times times as much as that which they could have experienced otherwise. And that’s okay. That’s great. But I’m claiming that I know the difference and that there is a difference. And that people that for instance that describe that they went to heaven and then they stand there and describe imagery like flowers and creeks and angels and you know borderlining on angels and things like that. That’s beautiful and that’s very heavenly. But then that leaves me with an

00:57:22 – 00:58:38
explanation of I know a heaven state that is more subtle than that and shall I say at the same time more intensive and more glorious, more divine. You don’t need imagery. You don’t need the paradise stuff. That’s still stuff. And I mean God God doesn’t need stuff. You know, I know the true nirvanic state, the uh ultimate utopia. I’m gonna put that here. I know you said that you had a complete review, life review, complete review of all your dreams. Did you have a complete review of all your

00:58:01 – 00:59:18
lifetime? No. Okay, that was easy. That was easy. But trust me, I know a lot more than what I’m saying. Um, I know you say you never lie. Well, the correct answer is no. Um, in in a typical life review, there is usually um I’m trying to think right now and I can’t think of anybody else who said anything about prior to their birth process. There’s been a few inclinations that they knew of circumstances prior to their birth, but as the movie type life review, as most people perceive it to

00:58:41 – 01:00:01
be, um, no, I can’t recall anybody right now of the the few thousand that I know that have gone through an intensive near-death experience that experience anything toward reincarnation or anything toward um, their other lifetimes or even characteristics or personalities. Um, as you came back and began functioning again after your your accident, you had an awareness of people in history. And at first we thought that you were those people in history, but then I think some people come to the conclusion

00:59:20 – 01:00:32
that it was linking in univers. All right. Uh, I I had three the groups I refer to often the pluralistic people because it was more than one character. Uh the most easy to talk about is the uh group of scientists around the turn of the century Nails Boore Wner Heisenberg uh Mlon uh including Albert Einstein. because of his popularity, I often have a tendency not to state his name because it’s just so typical that uh if you’re going to know any scientist, well, you have to know Albert Einstein.

01:00:00 – 01:01:15
Um irrespective of that ego stuff. Yeah, that would be a group that was one of the groups that I referred to. Now, that group comes from first of all a characteristic of my personality and in the transitional state of my near-death experience, desiring to be like or know either the knowledge that they dealt with, the information that they dealt with, or the mindset or those characteristics. In other words, there’s kind of a a uniform characteristic of each of those people and I have a slight

01:00:38 – 01:01:52
characteristic like that. So, I’m attracted to that same thing. And also, you had work to do to continue on this level that thought that knowledge was important. Well, that’s true also. And and again, um was my life enhanced by the near-death experience itself by getting a perception and sharing some information. exchange on that level. The answer is of course yes. Um and that really has little or nothing to do with reincarnation per se. that has more to do with like you suggested that it would

01:01:14 – 01:02:29
be from the aacic record type stuff, the big library in the sky, the aspect of total knowledge and that can be attained toward on a level from the human condition fervently pondering or meditating or whatever and reaching up to that that is not becoming that and there’s a big difference a very big difference because in in my experience I experienced both of those aspects. In other words, I was in tune with or at onement with and and available to me was total knowledge in a question and answer

01:01:51 – 01:03:22
period and and uh as actually as close as I can say part of my life review and before a certain decision was made regarding that which was more in my near-death experience. Um the last stage or so in other words the most intensive state or the most subtle state of my death near death experience was um becoming total knowledge and that did not make it unique but it made it quite rare. So I’m not a good example when it comes to talking about you know the the you shouldn’t use me as an example

01:02:38 – 01:03:52
for things especially when it comes to subject of reincarnation or that type of stuff but I’m still going to ask you what about you just for the listeners who are watchers who haven’t seen the support before your near death experience you couldn’t even stand classical music and when you came back you not only recognized the music but you seem to have an understanding of his thought processes when he was writing certain things. I got as close as I got talking to Elaine just a short while ago, a couple of weeks ago. I said

01:03:17 – 01:04:48
something about second soprano and um something was mentioned about Baldi and I said, “Well, I sang that once as a second soprano.” That’s as close as I get to admitting anything close to seriously close to the characteristic of of having a degree or a form of reincarnation of no I’m Tom Sawyer here and to um uh having that kind of connectedness with a past life recall even if it be only a characteristic having to do with the female gender. Now I’m talking in real or know this is a physical reality the

01:04:02 – 01:05:19
physicality of the female gender. uh so it was that but in that capacity there is differences and so on um spiritually speaking and that I don’t know if I can correlate this to the second soprano part but it had to do with a a young lady who right um and I and I I wondered why I was always attracted to that name it’s kind of curious so see now I’m falling prey to the same set of circumstances as why have I always liked that name. Now, as I kind of like looked around, well, I don’t know anybody by that name. And

01:04:41 – 01:05:56
maybe it’s just that um uh Felicia Felicity uh that it’s a test of my something in my near-death experience was a test of my felicity as I wrote it down later on. And I don’t use terminology like that. So, there was a clue there and so on. And that is in all actuality. I was going to say probability in all actuality was that there was a characteristic there that that I was that or therefore that which was is now a part of me. That’s the more correct way of saying it because I am not

01:05:18 – 01:06:34
she. A characteristic of she is part of me. No problem. Because see again the ego involves say well I was King George. Oh well ly dev and where’s all your jewels? Let’s go buy a new car. Yeah. Um instead of worrying about paying the bills, you know, you didn’t do a very good job. If you were that grandioso person and now you’re just a schlle. So going back to reincarnation now, if you if I if you meet somebody in your life or have a burning desire to play the piano you’ve never taken lessons or

01:05:57 – 01:07:09
you know from my point of view I’ve always felt like somewhere in here is a wonderful singing voice but it never seems to come out the kids will tell you for sure um then it could be keying into a personality fragment that might have been yours in a previous yeah and the way you presented that I would say a probability toward that and again a minor little caution is go for the characteristic and never mind the character. And again, then the character equals the personality because to really

01:06:33 – 01:07:44
to claim that you were the personality of a previous individual, well, that’s getting kind of rude. That that’s kind of egotistical, first of all. And I mean, because you know, you’re taking on an awful lot of responsibility because if you knew your entire personality before, well, you would damn well better be really good at what you do this time. No, it’s a prerequisite that if you have that much recognition of a personality of yours, not just a characteristic. I mean, it’s

01:07:09 – 01:08:25
a grand thing for any one of us to deal with a characteristic of ours now and then and get over it. I mean, I’m going through that transitional state this last couple months regarding certain things that I’ve shared with you and um personally and privately. Um, but to claim that you know uh of even a single other personality, well, you’ve got to be good because it’s a it will be a tragedy and a waste to not have vast illuminous amounts of information regarding who you are and the the actual cause and effect

01:07:46 – 01:09:08
relationship regarding that. So some of these people they have a tendency to to brag at parties of their five incarnations. Uh they would really be a little embarrassed to uh hear the long version of this conversation. And if that is true then therefore they must know this this and this and this and they should be really well adept at it because I think they would end up embarrassing themselves and that would actually help their personality. I don’t know. We didn’t get into this very deeply, but I think it’s a start.

01:08:31 – 01:09:34
And even if we again use this tape as a as an introduction and of course as I promised before and I didn’t come up with the actual uh outline because I I think really what what I’m going to have to do is not only make an outline but have a poster and during the taping point and show on the poster was a black quarter a poster because of the flip-flopping back and forth that we obviously have to do. In other words, I’ll say, “Well, wait a minute now. That’s a characteristic, not

01:09:03 – 01:10:20
a personality.” And so, to have a visual aid to be able to say, “See that up at this level or down at this level.” And even though I never, you know, I always hate that up and down ladder type uh measurements. I I can’t think of any other way to accurately u maintain a person’s attention on how to build off it. Because uh again we we haven’t touched on so many things. Uh you have to talk about characteristics such as uh external power the accumulation of power and then if you’ve done that for a half

01:09:42 – 01:11:07
of a lifetime or a full lifetime what does that in itself mean? And what does that that is actually a prerequisite of something regarding reincarnation and that all of that which is accumulated if it be materialistic or power by the power I mean that ego or humanistic type power the power of money the power of uh manipulation on a psychological level uh that has to be dealt with and that will be dealt with before you can ever take on another personality in a future life or when you zip through that tunnel and

01:10:24 – 01:11:43
end up back at your creator who’s with God or as part of God. Since we still have a little more time and we’re sort of superficially covering the subject, um what about um group reincarnation? Say like it’s been said that a lot of people in Atlanta all chose to come back at this time to help the earth through its transition state or say your family you and Ela in common Todd and Tim and the grandparents when you come in as a whole family there so many different questions if you’re

01:11:03 – 01:12:17
passing over one at a time you all wait on the other side together to reincarnate back in and make your decision of well who’s the father this time you know Do you have any idea of how old that kind of work? Uh, yeah, I do. And and as opposed to like giving the the three or four sentence definition of that, I have to start by saying the problem with that is is that you’re you’re so casually skipping over the part about the soul level. I know the levels at which the soul is maintained

01:11:40 – 01:13:12
is a singular soul um which can gain a personality this next time and that what is the holding pattern and what does that all mean? Well, right away they are not up there waiting because what do you mean waiting for what? Waiting for time. I mean they are there like group souls. Well, I’m agreeing that yes, there is that. Yes, there is. That’s reasonably rare. It’s um it’s usually misconstrued. Um because how do you differentiate between a family of any sort and a personality? And see, you’re saying like

01:12:29 – 01:13:52
a group of souls. Were they personalities? at any given time. I mean, you’re saying that yes, they were la or Atlantis um and that if they are coming back now, what is the intention? And I said, well, the intention is to salvage your love or or promugate um unconditional love or for the service of this or that or that. Okay. Well, what was it in their personalities or individually their personality that disallowed them to gain other personalities for the purposes of this escalative type thing to gain and

01:13:10 – 01:14:22
and deal with and solve their personality problems and accolades and what have you to become totally homogeneous with the light again so that they and I’m not condemning them saying that there must has been something bad or sad or unlearn or unlearn or unfinished business that they have had to wait around as we perceive it to this time or for the purposes of in total knowledge they saw that there would be the onset of the new age and that without their help this one little characteristic might have been neglected

01:13:47 – 01:15:18
or unfinished. Um and that’s not really that’s not that great of a thing. I notice that’s not um as glorious as having uh no personalities in the plural. In other words, a group soul incarnation. Um gee, I we can’t get off into a onto a tangent and do justice to that there is subtle forms of manipulation on various levels. See, we haven’t even gotten into levels because I just skipped from uh spiritual impermeation of a soul body being attached to the earth like blue marble. I haven’t gotten

01:14:32 – 01:16:07
into other galaxies and so on that there can be that there can be personalities uh or your soul can be simultaneously here we go functioning in an entirely other galaxy but what is I can’t I don’t know of any circumstance where your personality right now which is the better the you know the largest point of your perceptible soul and that your practically inconceivable soul self is functioning as another personality in another galaxy. I would say no to that. I can’t disprove that. But I don’t know of any

01:15:19 – 01:16:37
circumstance where that is true. However, your soul being of its nature can be functioning, it’s too simple to say in other ways, but I guess I’m stuck with that in other ways in an entirely other galaxy because again, we have a a linear perception of we’re here on this earth, the big blue marble in this solar system and in this galaxy. Something I read from a few years ago, have a theory that you know when they talk about twin souls or soulmates or not in the romantic sense but like there

01:15:59 – 01:17:09
was some evidence of someone living in Europe and someone living in America simultaneously meeting and their artwork being exact triplet boys that were found that were separated at birth and they all smoke the same cigarettes same toothpaste and all of that that you’re You can be interconnected with another living soul that you may never meet. Is that that’s another aspect of soul fragmentation? I don’t have a problem with that. No, it’s I understand what you’re talking about and I’ll agree

01:16:36 – 01:18:04
to its feasibility. I’m incorporating that into what I know. Um so the answer is yes. Now, if you you’d have to go with what you know with greater details and then I would have to judge each and any of these circumstances as to its validity or not. If it was we want to call it a group soul, if we want to call it just a sharing of identical characteristics, right? and that uh from a singular personality of prior into um an equal division of the personality. So that they are identical this

01:17:22 – 01:18:34
time because they’re they’re they’re each 33 and a3% of the original personality. And that the personality the three personalities that you’re dealing with this time and measuring exactly exactly exactly is probably not the exact personality of the prior. It’ll only be a third of the characteristic. Like an over Yeah. a mixture of Okay, here’s another good one that a lot of couples could would love to have an answer for. Say you’re a divorced couple and one person feels that they really

01:17:57 – 01:19:29
worked things through and spiritually evolved through the problems of the relationship and the other one hasn’t. I have questions specifically asked of me, not me personally, but just an open question to the world. U will I be linked to this other soul person until he or she works through with me what I feel I work through. By no I got to qualify this by no means to diminish the spiritual beauty of the biochemical connection that spouses usually have by culation by sex. that there is a biochemical mating there that is usually

01:18:44 – 01:20:06
spiritually enhanced or vice versa. Biochemical mating will spiritually enhance the individual uh as well as karmic fulfillment as well as pre-ordained or predestined um what mutuality I’m making up a word know that how did this come to be? However, now that I’ve qualified that as being all righteous and glorious and beautiful and it can enhance one another even if the marriage goes on the rocks quite right away and that it was really kind of a more of a tragedy judged by everybody else around and even the two

01:19:25 – 01:20:32
participants. Um, that’s still okay and that’s good. In other words, it’s what it is. The point I want to make, I wanted to say enough of those sentences to state that when either one of them transforms, when they die or when they transform, they will have little or no connectedness at all. In other words, there will not be a remembrance. Oh, hey, how do you do? And I mean, that’s stepping on toes of the paradise stuff in a way because my mother didn’t have three husbands running sideways. See,

01:19:59 – 01:21:26
it’s No, now wait a minute. It’s not denying that. See, because on a level of paradise, paradise might very well be that. Uh the perfect example is Elaine will get to see her grandmother. Um and that that that is not a falsehood. That is a spiritual reality. But then just go a little stage farther at the point in time where a new incarnation, a new personality that the soul is to take on a new personality, there is usually no recollection whatsoever and therefore no attractiveness. Can frown on that one.

01:20:42 – 01:22:03
Could argue about that one, but usually. Why said usually usually no attractiveness and no recollection uh to either the prior personality or that which the personality was attracted to or became or enhanced. Meaning that if you are are married and it’s a very loving, spiritual, romantic, sexual relationship in all the different ways, uh there is a tremendous connectedness there and that will be broken. that will be I don’t want to say annihilated. Yeah. At least at least in the more intensive transformative

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states because again if you are earthbound as a ghost or as a a person who is in a purgatory type scenario or a or a scenario where you have to be earthbound to burn off bad karma. I mean that typical phrase and then you can read uh all you need to read on using you know what do you mean by burning off bad karma if you’ve never heard of it well you have to read about 18 books on karma or books that have the word karma in it that burning off bad karma um unfinished business and so on they will still be attached they will be

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attached to their characteristics and their personality they will still be their personality even though there are more in the soul body. They will be without the human form, the human bodily form, but they will have the human characteristics and and all of the personality. They will not have let go of the personality yet. That’s what spirits we talk to or on the earth. Might also add, let me throw in here right now because we’re kind of getting to the point we’re getting intelligent

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enough to publicly frown on this channeling I mean that is where a vast vast majority of channeling actual channeling takes place to say nothing of this egotistical channeling of I have a dear friend who I love fervently therefore I must be channeling him because I thought of him last night or I or I had a dream last night and I dreamed about Tom Sury in his blue sweater therefore I’m channeling Tom Sur you know that’s that’s silly enough in itself and God bless the the love attachment and a desire for that. Okay,

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that’s okay. And anybody should be proud of their their lovely feelings and and attachments for that. But then actual bonafide channeling still that is within this realm of disenfranchised or disembodied spirit spiritual souls that aren’t getting on with the work that they’re supposed to. In other words, shall we dare say they are not progressing as well as I wish 98% of them could or should. I’m being judgmental about it. But I have to. But yes, that’s in that realm. And that is a

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low realm when we say high is better and low is worse. That is that is still every bit attached to the earth plane to the human condition which is one of the grossest forms. I mean it’s the grossest form of the soul of an individualistic human type soul. Um Elaine asked me a question last night about the soul of a rabbit and I’m not sure how she asked it but anyway in my paragraph that I fed back to her was that well if you want to think in terms of a of a group soul or I use that phrase of in other words a soul

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regarding the animal or plant kingdom you should think in terms of that yeah you can perceive of a soul body representing rabbits And it’s all the rabbits in the world collectively make up a type of a soul. Please don’t construe that as the equivalent. Here we go with measurements. The equivalent of a human soul. Does no no no to that. No. The human being the human that that characteristic that which is the human being. Uh and as we have scientific proof cruising around the big blue marble only

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um that is a unique soul. It’s an embodiment. It is the embodiment of the soul. The human condition is the embodiment of a unique soul. Uh that does not happen in animals. Does not happen in plants. Now we know that there are blleams of light in everything and that collectively the um biomass good phrase biomass of the big blue marble the human condition is part of that it’s an integral part of that and it should never be denied that it doesn’t that it exists separately from the biomass of the big blue marble

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meaning from the primordial soup in the shadow of Mount St. Helens where there’s just nothing but black goop and out of black goop nothing flies through the air and lands in it. It is it contains the life molecules and they are actually forming that primordial soup that fundamental primordial soup and that no if you I’m not saying that if you wait long enough a human being is going to climb out of it you know that that strict evolutionary type thing because that’s foolishness. I mean there is

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evolution but it is nothing like the Darwin theory. I mean, nothing at all. I mean, if you just go to uh I don’t know if those so-called horses are still in Washington, DC, but if they are, what a joke on science because they have these little tiny horses that were prehistoric and they go horse one 2 3 4 5 6 7 up to a modern day horse. It’s so completely asinine. I mean, they shouldn’t even be in the same film practically speaking. In other words, it is not true. It is not um an evolutionary equestrian uh

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example of evolution. It’s wrong. It’s incorrect. Just like for ever since the large dinosaurs have been in the major museums, they’ve had the wrong head on it. The Bronosaurus, I think it was, and they finally just recently, in fact, I said that 1978 as an example, and it was since that time that they’ve discovered that it was the incorrect head. um any major major problems that um I went way off on a tangent. I’ve kind of lost myself. I had something pop into my mind. What about when um the Virgin Mary

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or um Quan or any of the great masters appear in different places that give you know spiritual help or even isn’t there supposed to be a hierarchy of seven spirits that that help the earth to reach its highest evolvement? Now how does their if they have souls How does that is that different from the souls that are being channeled that are caught on the human level when they All right. A good example because this is around 1990. Good example would be a very saintly individual, a personality with a soul that was incarnated through

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genealogical means as well and those that happen and that the soul incarnated with this particular human form. Um, and others, uh, well, I shouldn’t be judgmental about because this was passed in time, so I have to be careful what I say or what I claim. Um, uh, in fact, this particular one I’m thinking of is a a Catholic canonized saint, which doesn’t necessarily qualify him as a true saint, but trust me that he was, or I have to say he because in that incarnation it was a he. Um, and if and he’s referred

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to now as St. Charbell. All right? And I’m not sure if I’m pronouncing the his hometown, so to speak, of Balbeck, Lebanon, right? But that’s kind of important to me right now because I have a few additional measurements for it. That which he was and therefore that which he still is. And what am I saying? If he’s a saint, wow, he’s cool. And he did all of his stuff to say the least. Because isn’t he a saint? And you’re all Well, yeah. And he must have zipped right through the

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tunnel. In fact, he didn’t even stop to have a life review. Wrong. In fact, the opposite is true. Now, this is divine in nature and this is a very loving, loving, unconditional love type gesture on the part of that soul. We’ll still call him before he died. Yes. And he came back again. Uh he hasn’t left. So therefore, the healings that have gone on, and there have been like 300 documented healings just at the local shrine in Lebanon. And granted, this is Christian Catholic in nature. Uh

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Menanite or close enough. Menanite Catholics. No, I’m not saying it right. Oh, something like that. Yeah. Um now I’m stuck with the word something like that. Anyway, certain uh like for instance they have Jesuits and and uh various others. Oh well, can’t think of it. Um so it’s in that kind of category and there’s the typical Catholic statuary type shrine. There’s a bell tower which isn’t even a tower at all. It’s only about 15 20 feet tall. Uh various other things that I

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hope someday I’ll get to see. That is a good answer. Yeah. How do you know? Um I was there. Okay. Last week. At any rate, now I’ve lost my train of thought. Okay. In his in his circumstance, uh he died um goodness I can’t even think terms of dates because I know he dressed funny. So it’ have to be like 1830. Uh don’t quote me on that. But others as opposed to in the 1900s Okay. So, uh, no, back that long ago. And then in in, uh, no, he died he died certainly way before 1950. All right. In

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1950, close enough for the example. Uh, there were documented as scientifically as possible over 300 curings, cures of u uh disablements, blindness. There were uh boy at least seven I’m guessing at the numbers but as opposed to hundreds uh seven blindnesses that were instantly cured by the person finding their way to this shrine of uh St. and in and the middle of Lebanon actually more toward the uh what would that be easterly side at any rate you can look it up in the map and um and this all did take place

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and this was all very bonafide extremely bonafide it was also a part of the u canonization process of the Catholic Church to verify and therefore allow him and you know I’ve got to defend the Catholic church they spend a lot of money and a lot of time and they do a good job disqualifying certain individuals from claims of spiritual healing, the miracles they call them. I have a I have a problem with that word, but uh spiritual healings and so on, especially after they’ve passed on. One of their

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prerequisite is it that it’s three, I think it’s that it’s two or three bonafide healings that have to take place after the passing of the saintly person. In other words, if Mother Teresa is ever to be made a saint, there will have to be a spontaneous spiritual healing of a major disorder like from blindness to sudden sight by just calling out to Mother Teresa even though she’s dead. So, I have Oh, yeah. It’s you ought to you ought to read into that. I mean, it’s interesting what is a

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prerequisite. By the way, you missed it. I want healing, right? Yeah. Too bad. Too bad you’re not saying you’re lazy. You be you be a lazy. So, are you saying that they should Wait, I got interrupted because another little tidbit is one of my favorites which I was so attracted to and even manipulated to come and find out something about uh Ann Sherman Shanghai me and her little Volkswagen mini bus and took me to a little place called Fonda, New York, where where I found some artifacts that were missing for a

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very long time as luck would have it. And uh uh that is in reference to St. Katari or Catarie and if it’s pronounced Cathatua right an American Mohawk Indian who is going to be canonized uh in the Catholic uh tradition canonized as saint very shortly. I’m not talking years talking like watch the news tonight. Um very shortly. And of course I knew this oh again I say I think it would be 1983 because it would be just prior to the first year I gave an official lecture at Monroe Community College and during the

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lecture I mentioned something of that nature. I we have that on tape audio tape. In the lecture I mentioned that she would be and of course the few people who even knew anything of her were oh wow. So I guess right now she has a status of beatatification and then the last stage is saintthood in the Catholic tradition is canonization. So she the Mohawk Indian who became Catholic. Yeah. Oh yes. Became a nun. Uh well I don’t know. No. No. She didn’t have the status of of being a nun. Um let me just put it this way. She she was

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a saint. She did some cool stuff. And I mean uh she she prayed every day at the church and one of the things that they the Mohawk Indians wanted to find was where’s the church? So everybody’s running around looking for this structure and this foundation and um uh we know where it is now. Some of us know where it is now and I don’t know how important any of this is but um she’ll be canonized very shortly and that’s good. I I think that that’s justified by my measurements too. back to um now just

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to go back to what you said before soul is a perfectly identical to every other their soul yes but that which the soul the soul has opportunities and they took their on their level on their level in other words in their realms I’m not saying that well yeah they can actually choose make decisions and choose that to stay here. Uh it’s it’s not guaranteed that they can decide because I mean come on the Godhead God can reabsorb instantly everything or anything. But where uh where God is allowing the full

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evolutionary I’m talking now souls I’m not talking about plant animal life the evolutionary process to go free will total free will uh these saints that I’m referring to the two examples that I’ve given and uh that there is a process that there is a process whereas by their very nature by their very nature as to who they were as their personality and that which they evolved to be in that incarnation that um and I guess there’s a pattern of sorts because by their very nature part of their servitude part of

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their volunteerism to return is not to return, but to stay. In fact, it’s just the opposite of what you would wish for everybody to anticipate and expect or to strive for. In other words, you want to get out of here. This is called physical stuff. This is the illusion. I mean, this is this is reality, but it’s only a portion of reality. So, you’re saying Charel’s whole personality, right? His body is depleted. He no longer is in embodiment. Um, and his soul is still very much here connected

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to the earth plane. By the earth plane, I mean the realm of the big blue marble. I mean, it can in dimensions. See, right away, where is it? The middle of the earth? No. Is it on the surface of the earth? Imperable. In other words, it’s coexisting. Uh, the maskless body doesn’t require a house. doesn’t require uh I mean the nearest thing to a house would be the entire earth. All right. And one of the inadequacies of a vast majority of these saints that I’m referring to and I’m not

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blaming them for making a mistake or having a mistaken thing but they by my very high judgmental standards they incorrectly associate themselves with only a particular place or two on the earth. meaning a spiritual healing center. Well, that could be manipulative in a way, but I don’t see that as a very virtuous thing. Be everywhere, right? And I would have a tendency to prefer to just be not identified with a particular location, what I call lowi, because there is um an exact pinpoint where the spirituality of St. Charbell

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is the greatest right this minute in Lebanon. And we better thank God for that because we need all the help we can get in that area. And even though things since 1950 has gone worse and worse and worse by our judgmental standards, the spirituality is the same. And the spirituality is available to not just the Christians but in other words in that the Christian phrase the uh Christianity. knows you can be a very Christian Jew for that matter. The way I with the way I use the term um and to have that that

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love of Christ uh and do a ritual of Buddhism. I don’t have a problem with that. I’m sure that the the churches do because again there we go with power, man-made power opposed to actual the the Christ love Christ didn’t love a certain color. He loved all colors. Yeah. What? What? I’m still stuck in St. Sharp. But I mean, do you see that? So, I’m trying to see what the difference between the saintly spirits that are helpful or the saintly soul personalities that are helpful and the souls that just aren’t

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getting on with their work and that are Oh, yeah. Good point. Good comparison. Right. Here we go with the lack of scientific measurement. How do you know? Yeah. And the only way you can know is either through experimentation or just intuitive realization. How do you measure intuitive realization? What? Because a person smiles or cries. You know, you can’t go by that. And yet we do. I mean, we’re guilty of that. You see a tearjerker movie and at the end you say it was a really good movie. And

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of course, it brought on the emotions. But does that mean I can’t watch a scientific documentary like The Powers of 10 and cry for a half hour? I can’t sell that as a tearjerker movie. Everybody else laughs at it. And half the people, it was only 15 minutes long. Half the people walked out on it. They didn’t even like it at all. So, we have to be careful of our measurements. Um, yeah. The disenfranchised or disembodied souls that have not been able to promulgate and go on or progress

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uh are earthbound simultaneously. There are very uh saints and saintly souls. As a matter of fact, I could even do a dialogue on Albert Einstein. I mean, I should be so judgmental because his immediate family is still alive. And I’ve been very protective about wishing to say a lot of things about that which culminated a few years ago. I don’t recall the year, but um let’s just say I was intuitively aware of of his um fulfillment of his uncontrollable desires to be earthbound and stay for the purpose of well, I’ll

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just say it very ambiguously. I’m saying that Albert Einstein had two needs. He need to assist in whatever way he could spiritually speaking as a disembodied soul and also facilitate some form of an apology to mankind for that which he took on as his responsibility of bringing into the technological knowledge of mankind meaning the nuclear stuff and that seeing it be misused and he took on the responsibility incorrectly so I mean it wasn’t his fault and and he didn’t do that. It was a collective effort but but

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the personality Albert Einstein took it on himself as the responsibility and he wished to apologize and fervently serve from a spiritual point of view and he demanded of himself just here with the words I use demanded of himself to be earthbound and did facilitate that and it was since um I’m trying to think of what year because that was a major event for Oh, in the early 80s. Oh, somewhere like uh 1984. Might have been a little bit later. See, 85 was a plane crash, right? So, it was before the that well-known

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plane crash in my life. So, all right, let’s say about 1984 to give you a reference point. Fact, I I tried to remember by saying the exact number of years since his death. I believe it was 1955 or 56. All right. So, I don’t it could have even been 1985, but anyway, in the the early 80s from around 1980 to the 1985, somewhere in that uh I’m claiming that I’ve been spiritually aware of his passing. I mean, he’s he’s been dead since 1955 and released in recognition of his karmic fulfillment as well as his

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personality fulfillment. you know this demand that affected his karma that he just piled on a certain type of and I won’t say what time certain type of karma that therefore became a demand so to speak that he be uh earthbound for that period of time and that now uh that’s okay and that the the saints that are here for hundreds and hundreds of years and doing spiritual healings and works you have to be careful about thinking of manipulation because is that not manipulation? To spiritually enhance

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somebody sounds all loveydvey, but what are you doing? Could you conceivably be denying that individual their karmic fulfillment if they need to be in a state of disease with a broken back for a year and sit around and get fat, wear a blue sweater, um to have somebody come up and wave the magic wand and say, “There you go. You can go back to your employment.” Wait a minute. What have you done? You know, I It sounds good. The lessons may not have been learned, right? Okay. I think we’re running out

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of time, but maybe if there’s anything that anyone viewing here as far as reincarnation, um maybe it’s not to worry about it. Live in the moment for a little. Well, yeah. also I’ll tell you what right now be judgmental and say I’ve read parts of many many books with part of the title saying reincarnation this the dowo of reincarnation I mean you mix it up you know there’s many many books on the subject I’ve been uh told about people have read books and told me well this book says this that that I have been

01:45:41 – 01:46:44
totally dissatisfied with 98% of everything I’ve read on the subject now it’s just a complete lie. It’s a fabrication. Uh Bavatsk’s work was then dealt with by Om and he wrote a pamphlet or a book on reincarnation which he didn’t write at all. He wrote it from what he read from Bvatzki. So we’re getting interpretations of interpretations and so on. So judgmentally, I’ve been dissatisfied with anything I’ve read on reincarnation up until I read the book, The Seed of the Soul.

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And uh yeah, just we’ll do one of these just out the book. Can you see it there? Yeah, just a little book, Gary Zuka, The Seed of the Soul. And I’m not I you know, haven’t met the man. I’d like to certainly um and uh it it’s a good book. I might add that I read one chapter in that book, a later chapter when I first got it, just read a paragraph and didn’t like it at all. I was so disappointed because I thought, “Oh, Giri Zukov, what have you done? we’ve gone way off on a witch hunt or

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something like that. And then I did force myself to read the book cover to cover, one of the few that I have. And it’s a great book. It’s not a book for everybody. So if you read into it and are dissatisfied, don’t force yourself unless you’re that that type of person. But it’s a very good book. It is not a book on reincarnation. But trust me, if you can perceive accurately, starting with reverence in the way Gary Zukov talks about reverence and if you can perceive that which the

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book talks about about external power, about personalities and characteristics and this and that and he does talk directly about aspects of reincarnation, but it is not a book on reincarnation per se, but uh it’s the best book that I’ve read regarding the subject of reincarnation. I wish I’d done a little better. So, we say goodbye and God bless you all.