Tom Sawyer talked about his precognitions, and about the L10-11 airplane crash in Texas.  Recorded in October, 1989. Duration: 1h 41mins. (27 pages)

 

Raw Transcript:

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Okay, this is our first our third in a series of programs and today we’d like to deal with u precognitive information and specifically we’ll use the uh the L1011 plane crash back in 1985 to help people understand the psychological and spiritual aspects of coping with recognition. Interesting. Can I listen? Yeah. Uh Dr. Kenneth Ring at the University of Connecticut um through many questionnaires and many hours of private type conversations uh asked me many questions most of which I was unfamiliar with. In other words,

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had I ever heard of a precognition? Well, certainly I had, but I never delved into it at all. And then eventually when he questioned me on, uh, Tom, could you give us an example of a retro cognition, a precognition, and possibly something clairvoyant, my immediate reaction was laughter. And and I used the word stupid. I really meant ignorant, but I said the word stupid. And I said, “Gee, Ken, don’t you realize how stupid that is?” And what I was really thinking of was that that these

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researchers were very ignorant because they in fact obviously knew nothing at all about clairvoyance uh retrocognitions and precognitions because my immediate reaction was well Ken there’s no such thing as a precognition and a retrocognition. There are only different functions of clairvoyance. And I said, if you have a precognition of a very detailed event or subject or something like that, you are only functioning clairvoyantly and you have picked clairvoyantly something that is as we perceive time ahead of time or future.

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The same with retrocognitively. Uh past life regression often times are retrocognitive as opposed to zeroing in on your personalized past life. they are um retrocognitive and you are functioning clairvoyantly and you are pulling out many personalized and and spiritual details of another life. So sometimes we have to be careful of those things. At any rate the a life that was not your own. Yeah. In other words may or may not be your own. So the caution there is uh you have to really delve into what is it that you were

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functioning at say in a past life regression. Were you regressing to your personalized past life or are were you regressing to a clairvoyant state that allowed you to go to another person’s life at another time? And it’s curious uh to see that we usually by power of suggestion go backwards in time. uh it would be more curious to see the result of the same people, same practitioners, the same recipients to do that and purposely decide to go ahead of time uh to see if they would be as receptive as

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I’m saying that they are clairvoyantly forward or future in time. In other words, to either their future life or just future events. Well, as you said, we’ll use the example of a plane crash. Um there’s several things that I want to say as we start this and that I need to be chastised because in this whole event I made some very very remarkable mistakes uh mostly on a personal level. First of all having had this precognition of a tragic nature of a plane crash involving my favorite passenger airplane which I often

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champion. um also becoming extremely personally involved with the information that came one night while being interviewed at the University of Connecticut. Um, and by personally involved, I mean o way overly involved on a personal level, on a semi-spiritual level. In other words, I don’t know if I’ll delve into that too much, but um, very bluntly, I really took on more than what I should have. I’m being judgmental about myself, saying that now humanistically as well as psychically as well as spiritually.

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In other words, I push things to the limit. I demanded of myself that which I really shouldn’t have delved into. Now there’s the extent or the extreme. I didn’t really do anything bad or wrong. In other words, I shouldn’t be put in jail. But u as a result of the the little bit of greed that I demanded of myself. In other words, I became a little too greedy at times, a little too demanding and so on. Uh I reap the harvest of what I sowed. And caused yourself the pain. Well, very much so. a

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lot of pain, a lot of disruption, a lot of heartache, uh as well as a lot of how can I describe it? Uh intellectual responsibility spiritually speaking. Uh I get, you know, I’ll get into that later, but I wanted to summarize kind of what we’ll try to cover here. Um you were aware of that about a year and seven months before the actual crash. I don’t recall the exact day, but it was in middle of uh October of 1983. And as typical, if you seen any of my tapes or talked to me, you know, be

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careful quoting me on exact dates. Um, but as best I can recall, it was uh October of 83 and that we now know that the event took place in the summer of 85, August 85. All right, August 2nd. uh because I’m still not sure of the exact dates when it was so important as to zeroing it in as best I could the timing of the event which was only uh it was to the tune of two weeks prior to the event. I tried very hard to come up with a date. I wasn’t able to come up with either the number was the Monday Tuesday

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or the number day but I u I just as best I could regarding that season I said uh something to the effect that it will it will have had happen sometime between um the 1 of uh actually let’s see the 1st of July and it will have had taken place before my birthday but then I corrected that And I said in fact thinking of that framework in time that it will happen exactly halfway between that time never realizing that that meant it had to happen within 72 hours. It’s in a very short period of time or certainly that

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week and uh I wasn’t aware of that for the next couple of days. Uh the people in the room were aware of that and being as polite as they were, they didn’t say something like, “But Tom, that means within the next couple of days.” I’m sure that they did that on purpose knowing that that would have upset me uh tremendously. So, you know, thank thank them for that. At any rate, back in October, a year and a half prior, uh the scene basically was one of my roundt discussions again. uh a 72-hour

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dialogue where I would just arrive at the University of Connecticut at the famous near-death and whoever would show up or whoever would be there either sometimes I would be invited because somebody would be there or I would be there and then people would just come in knowing that I was there and would be able to ask questions about my near-death experience and other related subjects. So the day before, now it was the daylight hours, I was introduced to a couple of scientists and physicists and we chatted about uh related subjects.

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And then as um the night hours came as it went in after the the typical lasagna dinner that you know, in other words, if you ever been in the near-death, you only have lasagna because it’s the only thing that you can divide into a 100 pieces or three pieces. And it was the the dish of the near-death. uh you read Heading Toward Omega if you don’t know what the Near-Death Hotel is or borrow the book and read just the first couple of chapters. At any rate, um in uh in the Near-Death Hotel, we’re

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talking and as Ken uh said of me, just ask Tom a question, he’ll get on a roll and it’ll happen. And what he meant by that is you might have to suggest the subject matter and then I’ll just take off with my big mouth and talk with many details about it. So as it turned out I just happened to be talking about the uh um the life and times of Jesus Christ in much more detail than I would have ever expected that I would have in 1983. So I was on a roll and I was very comfortable and enjoying myself and the people that

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were taping and listening to me were enjoying the evening. Now it’s also typical in those conversations that there’ll be side conversations. In other words, two or three people will hear what they want. They’ll ask me a question and hear what they wanted to hear from me and then they’ll discuss among themselves um implications or that will lead to another subject. So, there just happened to the right of where I was sitting, four women, one of whom was Norma Krenzel, the mistress of

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the Near-Death Hotel and uh the international hover of the world, a title that I still give to her. One of the first strangers that I ever hugged in my life at 33 years old. So, I mean, she’s important, you know, for that. She has that title and so on. And I’ve always been very comfortable being in her company and so on. She’s one of those few people that you can talk to and not feel as though you have to pretend or put on ears or protect her ears or so. She and three other women were

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talking about uh a movie andor a book and one of the titles as best I can recall that most people are familiar with is The Ghost of Flight 401. Now that’s basically the way I understand it. I I haven’t read the book of course. haven’t read it, but it’s about um the ghostly apparitions of the pilot of a plane that crashed in the Everglades. I don’t recall what year, but say four or five years ago or uh a few years before before 1983. Yeah. Oh, we’re all we’re almost the turn of the century now.

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Okay. Um as a matter of fact, what is today’s date? So, we we should say today is the 24th of October of any day. Okay. I know where we are. Um, all right. So, we’re talking about something that’s uh at least four years ago and then we’re jumping to five and a half years ago when this came to my mind as a precognition. Well, uh, they were talking about this book or the movie and I wasn’t listening to them at all. I mean, I wasn’t eavesdropping. But it is typical of me even though I’m

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talking very intently and very rapidly about a certain subject. If you within my hearing range uh say a non-truth, I call it a lie. But if you make a mistake, for instance, I might still call it a lie. And I I mean it lovingly that that’s intolerable to me. And if I know any information to correct you, I’ll stop talking and interrupt you and correct you. In other words, it’s done with love. It’s not done as hey you can’t lie in front of me. I mean there’s no arrogance involved. It’s just that uh

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that’s happened many times. And I don’t know if it is a characteristic of mine or if it’s just that I’m so you know the act the actual truth is so important to me that fine details are very important and that uh you should strive very much for the absolute truth as opposed to an assumption or something like that. Well, they were discussing the the ending of the book or the ending of the movie where the last apparition of that of the ghostly apparition of the pilot of the plane that crashed in the Everglades

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made the statement to one of the airline steartesses that uh there will never be another crash of an Alan 111. And yeah, he said it without becoming emotional. That was the statement. In other words, again, the statement was there will never be another crash of an L1011. Period. Well, as that was experienced originally, the misconception by the general population was that there will never be another crash of that type of plane. But my understanding rather instantly by you know hearing them at that point say

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that and why it was wrong was that first of all they didn’t understand what the ghostly apparition meant by that. Now he the the pilot uh in the book and in the movie uh the flight 401 what he meant was in his time there will never be a crash of one of his planes. He’s personally involved. He’s spiritually involved. He’s on the other side. He’s dead, but he’s earthbound, if you will. I’ll use that phrase. And in his time, while he’s in this condition, he will do whatever is necessary to

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assist and protect his airplanes, meaning Lockheed L 1011 Tristar. In his time, he was also earthbound. Now, this is a judgmental statement on my part. I don’t know if there’s been any writing or anything about this, but I’m telling you this from information that I have. that uh he was earthbound by an uncontrolled desire to be rectified in the um the responsibility of the plane crash. He was the pilot. Uh right away the investigation pointed to the finger that he was not at his post at the

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controls when the plane crashed that he was in the underside the belly of the plane. Uh and it took a very long time for the the investigators to um uh to prove all the circumstances that he did not do something wrong to create that plane crash that it was actual accident. Uh uh that the plane and the pilot and the cold pilot were all victims of circumstances that were very strange and and unique, if you will, and that they did follow proper procedure, but there were some mistakes made inadvertently.

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In other words, it wasn’t uh they couldn’t blame them. couldn’t find fault with them. So in that time frame uh which I don’t recall but I’m sure that it was more than a year. Um there were many events where the ghostly apparition appeared to uh stewardesses on the planes where there were parts from that crash plane recycled or reused. And one event just to give you an idea so this isn’t too confusing was that um the the ghostly apparition the pilot appeared to one of the stewardises and announce that

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go to the pilot of the plane that is flying and tell him to land at the nearest airport that there is going to be a fire but if he lands at the nearest airport right now there will be no problem no loss of life and the plane will be okay and so on. uh if this is ignored then there will be a problem with the plane. Conceivably the plane could catch on fire and crash. So the uh stewardist went rather fanatical because she’d never seen a ghost before. So uh instead of really listening to what she

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had to say and the information that there will be a fire aboard this plane and that if you’re on a a runway or at an airport, it can be just taken care of normally. She got so frantic that they decided that they should land the plane at the nearest airport to get her off the plane. That was for her protection and the well-being of the passengers. So, they landed the plane. This is documented in history. You know, you can look it up uh however you’re able to look something like that up. And uh uh

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the plane landed and while they were getting her off the plane and giving her, you know, a barbituate or something or calming her down, uh the radar element in the very nose of the plane burst into flame. Well, to have something like that happen, what it does, it just creates a little bit of smoke. So, naturally, alarms would go off and so on. Now, if it was in flight, conceivably that would continue to burn and it would catch the plane on fire and create a a disaster. Conceivably a disaster. But being on the runway, they

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simply open the nose of the plane, take the element out, blow a little of the smoke out of the way, put a new element in it, close it up, check it out, and it’s okay to fly. So the flight other than the interruption of landing didn’t have to be postponed or um I don’t even believe that the passengers had to be taken off the plane. So the plane was saved if you will by the information from the ghost. All right, that set the scene. Now the statement that they said was there will never be another crash in

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Alpha 11. Well, in the middle of my conversation, I just stopped right away and turned right toward them and I said I said with a great deal of emotion, “But that’s not true.” And then saying, blurting that out loud, I realized what I’d said out loud. In other words, this was subconscious or just spontaneous. Uh right away in my mind I realized in order for me to say that I have to know that there will be another crash on an L1011. And of course that just shoved my throat right off like that. And I put my

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head down and started to cry. The emotions involved in that. The u the sensationalism of it I didn’t like. I mean to to say just do that. I didn’t even like the idea of doing that. And I wish I could have just said oh never mind. Yeah. But of course I said that much and they were now silent and just looking at me. Everybody was waiting for more to be said. And of course Dr. Kenneth Ring in his psychology voice, you know, the psychologist that he is. He lowers his voice and gets more intelligent like.

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And he says, “Well, Tom, obviously what you’ve said is uh” and so I just looked at him. I said, “Ken, knock off the psychology talk. This is just me.” But I then got up from the table and I walked out onto a balcony and collected myself for a few minutes and I came back and then Ken very lovingly carefully hinted uh Tom is there anything that you would wish to add to what you said and then he did say I would like to ask a couple of questions and the two questions were the

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flip side of well for you to say that isn’t it obvious that you’re actually saying that you know of the probability of that type the plane crashing. Or is it in fact that you are aware of? And of course again uh my emotions swelled but I just sat there and and waited long enough and inside me I mean my heart was pounding and and I mean I wanted to tell everybody everything and at the same time this is all crazy so I can’t say anything. Um, in other words, psychologically, emotionally, at the same time, I was

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dealing in my mind with uh cause and effect relationships. Is this right for me to be talking about? In other words, not just emotionally and psychologically, but spiritually, I have a lot of information that at most times I can’t just blurt out and share with people. And I mean, this, you know, you’re aware of that and many of the people that have talked to me before have to be aware of that. So, I was dealing with that and it took several minutes. Um, I did state many things. I’ll try to recall the way I said it,

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too, because I said, “Well, um, there will be.” And I I had to cover my face up, you know, and I mean, I I just cried. I said, “There will be because also remember this is my favorite airplane, and this is hurting my feelings to be suddenly aware of that my favorite airplane is going to have another crash.” And um so again, time delay and and some emotions. And then I said, “But some of it is so confusing to me.” And then I I swore. I used to swear a lot in those days. I swore and I was

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damning myself because among other things, I was saying, “Why do I have to know this? Uh I know so much, meaning about the details of the crash. I know so much, but yet I’m contradicting myself.” and see I haven’t even given the details but I’m dealing with it and I’m saying these half sentences out loud. Um I blurted out several things and I don’t have them in the right order necessarily but one of them was how can I be knowing this and what I meant was how can I be seeing this

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perfectly clear? How am I knowing this but I can’t see the white building clear? Now I was questioning my ability that if I can see something ahead in time then that’s it. There’s no question about that. And it’s that and that if I can know it, then that means I’m seeing it perfectly clear. But it’s as though my vision was blurred or blocked. And why can’t I identify this white building that’s very important to me? In other words, it would be desirous of me to know what this white building is, where

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it is, and so on regarding the plane crash. And I said white building. I didn’t say gas tank or metal object or white round disc or, you know, I didn’t say any of those things. I said white building. So that technically was a mistake. Um as far as again I said building and it wasn’t a building. In hindsight it turned out to be a tank. Um I also said how can I know it’s 103 degrees? I said it just like that. How can I know that it’s exactly 103 degrees and yet I don’t know when or where it

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is? Right. And the frustration of that was the two main questions. when and exactly where. So, I’m damning myself for not knowing that. And yet, I know many details in that conversation. And that at that time, in that conversation, it was about by that time it was about 3:30 in the morning. And I I looked at Ken and I said I said, “Ken, you know, I I said, Ken, you know, I know all the people That was about the worst part of it because it’s always been a frustration. I like people and how can I know people

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so personally and privately and intimately and be able to deal with them that 90% of them will die. Now their death doesn’t bother me. But why do I have to know it? See, because I, you know, philosophically, it’s okay to die. you have permission to die in a natural way or in a tragedy or something like that uh other than suicide. Now that’s it’s really okay to die. I’m eagerly anticipating my own death. Um there’s even uh kind of chaotically a little bit of jealousy when I know of people

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dying. I have a certain feeling of loneliness. Yeah. Because they’re moving on to where I’ve had a glimpse of where I’ve been and I can’t be right now and I miss that. So that loneliness or jealousy if you will um I was also experiencing at the same time. But I uh Ken asked me a question and I said and I kind of almost sarcastically like snapped back at him uh in order to qualify. I said Ken I can read you off their first names. Now I said that like in a scientist because he asked a question

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about well how can you know them or something like that. I don’t recall the exact words. Some other details were of course that it was a Lahed Alton 11 Tristar and I said uh then a a quick statement I said they’re so beautiful and do you know how many people they carry which of course swelled up the emotions again because I I was then thinking of the people. Well, there were several other statements about details. I was damning myself because I could see the airport, but the contradiction was

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the plane did not crash at an airport. Now, that’s see that’s a contradiction. So, what’s wrong with me? That I can see the airport. I can see the runway and I can see what it looks like from that angle, but I know that the plane crashes in a muddy field and that uh it also hits this white structure, this white building that I said and it doesn’t make sense that how can I know it’s at an airport but it doesn’t crash at an airport. Contradiction of terms. Also, I was then very very frustrated

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and I’m sure nobody understood me in that room that day that how could I know all these people and then I interrupted myself and said and there’s a person and there’s also a person that dies that doesn’t belong. Now, I didn’t say it that clearly either. I mean, I was very, very emotional and I was very frustrated by the fact that there’s somebody who dies in this event that doesn’t belong. Well, I knew a lot of details about who the person was, why, you know, in other words, all the questions that

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you might want to ask me right now, like who was it and where was he and so on. I uh was dwelling on that those aspects and then I just said I don’t understand you know it’s I wasn’t understanding why does he die in the plane crash but he doesn’t belong. So I then further qualified that and I told Ken Ring that night later that night that he wasn’t on the plane that he didn’t belong. can ring I’m sure and other people thought that I met maybe he was a stowway or something like that.

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Um but in fact I was aware that he was in a car an automobile. He was also a mechanic and so again brotherly love another fellow mechanic and a really nice guy. So again I can identify with him more so than the businessman on the airplane. um you know prejudice and bias comes in place because I’m functioning on an emotional the psychological level as well. So a few other details some very important details that sort of ended that conversation that night. We did talk about other things. We got off the

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subject and I talked right through the next day. So it sort of was sheld or subsided. Uh I met with Ken Ring privately uh oh a month or so later and he brought the subject up and he asked some specific detailed questions which I answered uh very accurately. Uh we did not get through any more details about the frustration of uh the discrepancy such as the white building. What was that? He did ask me, Tom, if you can see the airport, um, is it an airport? Is it is it an airport that you’ve been to

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before? And I said, I know that it’s not, but then I started comparing and I said, I what I’m about to say isn’t right. I was very cautious about that. But I said, “Of the airports that I’ve been to, it looks mostly like in either Philadelphia or uh Pittsburgh.” And then I wasn’t sure which. I said, “Well, it’s the one with the water alongside it.” Is there ships there, so I think that’s Philadelphia. Whichever one it ended up to be. Yeah, it it ended up being Dallas. But

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again, with the white tanks at the ends of the runway, if you’ve ever been to uh the one in Pennsylvania, it looks a lot like that. Um then he also said you know when you you also said something very specifically and you said it several times 103 degrees what do you mean by that and I said well it’s very hot I said it’s never that hot in Rochester New York and I said also that tells you that it has to be now see what I’m doing now is logical deductive reasoning with the initial precognition which I caution

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people about because it often doesn’t work in other words my frustration with how can I see a white building and not see it clear. So um we talked several times and uh then that was also one of the times where we were walking up the mountain road Ken Ring and I and he asked me the question meaning spiritually speaking or on the other side in other words after clinical death or uh no matter what level you’re on or in heaven he meant all of that. He said, “Tom, on the other side, is there

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ever such a thing as a mistake?” And I had a similar reaction and I wasn’t able to answer him for many minutes. And Kenry was good for that. In other words, if he would just be patient and then I finally nodded my head yes and uh he didn’t pursue it being the friend that he was. And then it was probably five full minutes of walking further that I was able to say yes and I just said yeah. And then then I couldn’t talk anymore. And that was also very important around that time for bear with

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me if I say my development being able to rationalize and deal with things like this. as well. Now, what I want to add is again that was a year and 7 months roughly prior to the event. I was aware that it was not this coming hot weather. I often just say seasons and of course 103 degrees would pretty well demand that it wasn’t January or February that uh it was in the United States of course it was 103 degrees Fahrenheit outside which is an odd number. So, it eliminated a lot of the usual airports. Excuse me. During that time, I

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um kept track of and and watched airports on television. Um, by the time this whole thing was over a year and a half later, I do have to admit, I don’t know if Elaine should hear this, but I purposely went to I manipulated tickets that were paid for and sometimes I can say, “Look, this is a direct flight and I’ve got some spare time. Uh, can you send me to a couple of different airports?” And the people at the airlines were real helpful that ways. And one time I went to four airports to

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get from Philadelphia to Rochester. I went all over the eastern seabboard. Well, what I was doing was uh to physically going and seeing what I knew was if I went to the place, I mean, I would be there. In other words, I would know it right away and I would see it. Um, and I’ve been sorry for that in hindsight. I mean, it wasn’t to be, but still that aspect where could I or should I have done more? Tom, I think we’re going to take a short break and when we come back, we’ll continue through the several meetings

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that you had where a lot more detail came out right up to be good. Okay. Now, the test of the viewing audience is to see what’s different about this picture. Well, my eyes might not quite be as bloodshot, but there is something else that’s different about this picture, and it’s a test to if you notice the difference because it’s something that anybody who’s seen me before should notice. Wouldn’t you agree? And if you’re showing this film, you can stall for a second and make the

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announcement as to what the difference is. Um I won’t give any hints, will I? Uh okay now back to the subject and we had talked about the conversations in Connecticut mostly and the actual precognition as it took place how it developed. Now it’s from in a way the power of suggestion that somebody said a mistake about the general subject matter in regards to that particular plane and that subject that was wrong. And so in correcting them, it brought to mind, if you will, my awareness of this upcoming

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precognitive disaster. And did that trigger a memory of your relationship? In in this case, and this may be new to a lot of people or just their realization, awareness. Um, I have had to me uh just spontaneous precognitions like, “Oh, wow. Do you know what’s going to happen?” for a while what’s happening now. And that’s one type where for no apparent reason or some ulterior motive that I may be involved in it or not involved or something like that in the future. But in this

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case they saying a mistake there will never be another crash in L1011. It was not a power of suggestion that I started thinking about L1011s and then suddenly precognizing the the next plane crash of that type of an airplane. It didn’t work like that. Um there is a characteristic with me and I I know of other people who have uh had a near-death experience or say in a particular time in their life a spontaneous spiritual awakening where as a result of that their their psychic ability has been greatly enhanced. They

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usually say enhanced. I’d like to say disturbed enhanced. So therefore we can blame it on my near-death experience. But part of my near-death experience was uh an attunement or at onement with total knowledge. And in the last stage or stages of my experience, it was, you know, I’ve said the sense that I became totally homogeneous with the light. The light is total knowledge. Therefore, for the splittest of second out of time, I was total knowledge. Well, I’m certainly not total knowledge now. It’s a physical

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impossibility. And therefore, you know, I’m emphasizing total knowledge. So, it would be true to say if you experience total knowledge, you have to know everything. All right? So, if at one time or out of time, I knew everything. What I’m leading up to is with the suggestion they said there will never be a crash in 1011. First, I had to correct a mistake. But in order for me to correct that, I had to know that there would be another crash in the 011 as to where and when that may or may not

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have been in my perception. Point I’m trying to bring up or get to is that as that took place consciously I knew nothing about the next crash of 101. I did not know about that from 197 any time before 1978 right through the conversation that was had in Connecticut. Um but to answer them knowing that that’s a lie that that’s a discrepancy and I have to correct it. As I said that that’s not true that came to my conscious level many of the details of the fact that there will be another crash and

00:36:58 – 00:38:08
that if it’s another crash that next crash will be like this is all that information flooded out. What I’m saying is what do we call it? Either that that information was already stored or I was already aware of it on a very sub subconscious level or shall we call it a superconscious level meaning the same thing as a subconscious level but on a high enough level that things of that nature can be divulged. In other words, I certainly didn’t learn that uh in school or in uh you know any time in my

00:37:33 – 00:38:46
life uh so out of my life or superconsciously. Uh things can be learned in the same way in an extreme meditative state and not known after you wake up but a week or two weeks later, a month or a year later, that information simply comes out and you know what to do. You know where to go. You know what to do. And that may even be confusing to you. So in this case, I’m claiming that this was knowledge that I had been exposed to, but that I didn’t know. I didn’t know on a conscious level at all. Wasn’t aware

00:38:09 – 00:39:27
of it. But as opposed to say somebody yelling out uh December 17th, like what happened to me one time, Ken Ring yelled out December 17th. And that date was the catalyst for me suddenly thinking in terms like mathematically the next December 17th this this this and this is going to happen. Now that happened and I knew many things that were going to happen on that date. That was like the power of suggestion and and that could have been triggered spontaneously unlike this situation where the information was perceived

00:38:48 – 00:39:59
during my near-death experience as part of the total knowledge and now because I’m needing it or using it in the general subject matter that information is surfacing to my conscious level and uh in a psychic way yes but more in a spiritual way that the total package was not just a a wham, oh my goodness, a precognition of this nature. It was that now I’m certainly start to think of all this information that I have in me. It’s also not saying that I’ve got all information in me. I see I can’t

00:39:23 – 00:40:44
claim that. I certainly never feel that way. And yet in various circumstances, uh, the right information surfaces now and then. It’s the same as answering the question, well, if you’re truly psychic, then what’s going to happen tomorrow? Or if you’re truly a psychic, then are you a psychic 24 hours a day? which is ridiculous because for instance right now I can know things like say just by the desire of knowing that um right now in Frankfurt Germany there is a yellow alert for the military now

00:40:04 – 00:41:12
that’s cuz my baby boy is there and that’s happening in this time frame not this exact clock time but today whatever today’s date is it would be today uh and a rough figure within in 24 hours of today even. All right, that can be manipulative and I may or may not be able to do that. Uh such as just walking in our in intermission that we just had walking around and just before we started up, I just thought, gee, I better make a phone call and call in the water break which is taking place right

00:40:37 – 00:42:06
now uh on Mount Ray Boulevard. as such as the other night when you were calling me to tell me you could go to Sedona and as you were dialing picked up the earthquake that was now see I don’t remember that hardly at all I remember calling you so well what you said to me was do you want the good news or the bad news oh now I remember the good news and you said I can’t the bridges And then you had to Yeah. Yeah. You know, again, we can even laugh at that. But now see, just then I had not really blocked that out of my mind,

00:41:28 – 00:42:38
but I had purposely forgotten that or other words, it wasn’t in my mind at all. And that is typical of me to be like cute or sarcastic or funny when it’s something very serious. I mean, it’s one of the ways that I can deal with some things that are extremely emotional and so on and the u time frame of that phone call. Well, in other words, I I did say that. Yeah. And um and then many other details because that was also a major event. Well, now skeptics and so on will say, “All right,

00:42:04 – 00:43:14
if you know about an earthquake, then how come you missed the plane crash last week?” Or, “How come you missed the uh um Mount Etna blowing up?” And let me put it this way. If you’re dealing with something like a major event, you can’t be expected to uh know every leaf on the lawn right now. And I know it’s where all three of your kids are right now. In other words, if you’re in tune or in a state of uh atonement or at onement with anything, the highest probability

00:42:39 – 00:43:53
is that you can’t do anything else that either just the focusing or the awareness even if it’s on a spiritual level where I have said that you can do more than one thing at a time but the probability is that you can’t. Yeah. And that let me put it this way um the result of this event the plane crash and uh the date that it happened was oh again I don’t know how many years from 1978 well from 78 to 85 okay so many years and those in all that time I’ve experienced many psychic

00:43:16 – 00:44:23
things this event was the first and no well there have been two more since but was the first time that I had to come home from work. Now, that was major because I promised publicly that the very first time that anything like this would interrupt my normal daily routine, meaning my work, my employment or my family life, that well, of course, a kind of silly statement I said that I I’ll shut up and I’ll never say another thing out loud is, you know, we can laugh at that now because but my

00:43:49 – 00:45:08
intentions were that it’s very important for nothing psychic to interrupt my employment. And in fact, I did have to come home uh from work the the morning just prior to the clock time of the event in uh Texas. And what I did, I came home and I was very a little distraught. I was extremely angry at myself because also time had run out and that meant that unless I could make a quick phone call. I mean, even something as crazy as like call a bomb scare to try to get But by that time the plane was already in

00:44:29 – 00:45:36
flight. Yeah. And in other words, it was that realization that even though I decided that I wanted to do more than what I should have and I took on more than what I should have, um I was in the midst of that and I still hadn’t given up. And this was a realization that it’s about to happen and there’s nothing that I can do. So I was angry at myself for failing to get my judgmental that I failed. And then I was uh distraught over the intensity of the event because it was a major event, a tragedy. uh also

00:45:02 – 00:46:18
my personalized uh spiritual and psychic and realistic psychological relationship with everybody aboard the plane and and the mechanic and um again the people involved mostly and then also the sensationalism that I had actually produced by using it over and over and over again as analogies. Right? So uh the day of the event I did have to come home and in fact it was also one of the very rare occasions that as a yell for help I need nobody was home and I needed somebody. It couldn’t it shouldn’t have

00:45:40 – 00:46:55
been Elaine by the way. I mean I would have only disturbed her and I didn’t want that. So I called the University of Connecticut hospital and called Dr. Bruce Grayson who is a very good personal friend of mine and also just happens to be a psychiatrist. Well, he’s involved in the research and he was quite aware of many things that I had said about the plane crash ahead of time. So when I called him, he recognized my voice, but he also recognized the all the stress or distress and so on in my voice and I was

00:46:17 – 00:47:23
not speaking eloquently. So he said, “Uh, Tom, I think I know why you’re calling, you know, he said it fluently and he said trying to trying to answer for me because I wasn’t really able to talk too well.” He said, “I think I know why you’re calling.” And then he said, “Is this the day?” So I just said, “Yes.” And then we just held on the phone. And I mean that was perfect for me and I appreciate he having to take that phone call even it wasn’t his job. I I never

00:46:57 – 00:48:16
paid him or anything like that. He took the phone call as a friend and that was also very helpful. Well, so that’s how emotional it was and it was up to that point in time the most dramatic and traumatic for me. All right. Now, I want to backtrack because I want to get back on track and state that um in the months between the precognition and the event that took place, what I had done incorrectly, I’m judging myself now and saying that I was wrong and using that event, that upcoming event as an example of

00:47:36 – 00:48:53
analogies of other things. In other words, if somebody in a group talk would say, “Tom, give me the difference between uh a precognition of a tragic nature and something that you would feel very joyous about. Well, there are so many aspects of this plane crash that were uh negative and traumatic that I would give that as a quick example. Now, it wasn’t up to me to claim that this was um a real event that hasn’t happened yet because I didn’t have the requirement to do that. I was only giving an analogy

00:48:14 – 00:49:22
but it’s most comfortable for me to give facts rather than actually make up a hypothetical analogy and that is typical of me on an ongoing basis. So what I did inadvertently at first and then quite regularly uh at least once every other month in a group talk or even talking to a single person I would say well let me give you an example. Let’s say for instance there’s going to be a plane crash. Now if it’s a big plane or this or that or that in other words I would go on with the details as the analogy and it would

00:48:49 – 00:49:59
work quite well. First of all I’m using all the facts and phrases that were just that and it would be easy for me to remember that and I would be clever enough to give the facts and figures and yet not become emotionally or psychologically attached to the upcoming event. Well, this took place several times at Maryanne’s talks and uh Maryanne and Joy’s hairdressing salon and where we’d have anywhere from five to two dozen people show up just, you know, uh to chitchat back and forth.

00:49:24 – 00:50:34
Sometimes we’d illegally call it a meditation. I mean, what’s really funny is I have never meditated at any of my meditations. You know, again, what’s in a word, what’s in a phrase? It’s really an excuse to get together and talk. So, there was one fella, I think his name is, was it Chuck or Charles? Was it Charles? I think. All right. And I can’t identify him right now, but um I think it would be a good idea to look him up because if he still has those notes, that could be used for

00:50:00 – 00:51:13
research or investigation. At any rate, he had been to three or more talks in a row consecutively and he had been taking notes on a spiral notebook and he had personally asked a couple of questions. So directly to him I gave various analogies. So this one time I was complaining about my inability to deal with time accurately and you know I mentioned that sometimes I can only figure out well it’s the warm season or it’s the warm weather of 1988. I’m kind of famous for having said that several times or by the

00:50:37 – 00:51:38
end of the warm season of 88 that was quite well known. So he then said,”Tom, I’d like to make a statement if I can, and then I want to ask you a question.” I said, “Oh, sure.” He said, “I don’t know if you’re aware of it or not, but I’ve been to several of your talks in a row, and I’ve also been taking notes.” And he said, and he went like this with a spiral notebook, and he said, “Here’s what I think.” He said first of all when you give

00:51:07 – 00:52:27
analogies very often you give analogies of a plane crash. Now what I think I think that you’re giving not only an analogy of a particular plane crash and using the same one over and over again but I think it’s real. I think it’s real and it hasn’t happened yet. So I was shocked by that. Now, I wasn’t shocked that I was deceiving him all along and he caught me. I was doing this inadvertently and I was not aware that it was typical of me to give an analogy and use this upcoming plane crash as the example. So

00:51:48 – 00:52:52
then he rattled off a few things. He says like for instance when you’re talking about temperature being able to cycically be aware of the exact temperature which is a mathematical computation like you said at this one plane crash uh typically I might know that and he smiled when he said that he says you say I might know that it’s exactly 103 degrees but then on other events I’ll only know it’s either cold or warm and then he rattled off a few more details and he says is when you

00:52:20 – 00:53:22
talked about something that’s ambiguous. You gave the example that even right now you’re not sure of a white building. You don’t know if it’s got windows or how tall or what, but it’s a large white structure and that you can’t see it clearly. Things like that. So then he said, I think that this is a plane crash that you know about and hasn’t happened yet. Now my real question for you is the one thing that you’ve skirted and beat around the bush and tried you seem like

00:52:50 – 00:53:58
you try hard but if you know this many details I mean firstname basises of everybody on the plane and if you know that much you have got to be able to either know or figure out exactly where or exactly when this is going to take place. And he said can you do that? Now that was his real question. Well, all of the shocks took place at me and then right away again he asked me a question and it’s typical of me to really try to answer any question anybody asked me. So I said, “Well, you know, you’re really right.” And I’m

00:53:25 – 00:54:29
saying, you know, I’ve really been stupid about this thing about time is if I make it a priority, I should be able to at least do better. Um, so I said, “Well, look, will you all just bear with me and let me let me just think about the timing of this and give me a few seconds.” So I fervently pondered and I I really tried hard. I thought of calendars. I thought of uh ambiguously vaguely like where are we now? Is this the warm season or is this June or July? And then you know each thing wasn’t

00:53:56 – 00:55:13
working. So then I said well let me put it this way. Now again don’t quote me on the exact dates that I’m going to give because as I said it that day I was exactly accurate. So I said something like, well, let me put it this way. It will happen sometime between the 1st of July of this year, but it will have to have had taken place by my birthday, which is the 1st of September. And however I said it, then I corrected myself. And you know, when I go like this, it’s usually emphatically and then

00:54:35 – 00:55:40
that’s fact. That’s not ambiguous. And I says in fact it’ll happen exactly halfway between that time. Now however my mind works it doesn’t work well that’s I was accurate I knew I was right and it was halfway between that time I gave and I was very satisfied that I zeroed in on the time frame that it would take place. Now there was a problem regarding stating it that day that time because I wasn’t aware of the date. In other words, as we were having this conversation and this man asked me this

00:55:07 – 00:56:16
question about time, typical of me. I wasn’t aware of the calendar date. I could have figured out that it was July, but I didn’t. And they were also very polite and compassionate because I’m sure that all of the people in that room knew what I said. And the problem was with what I said was that it was already the second week in July that I was saying this. So if in fact and again never mind the math the exact dates but if I said it would happen from the the 1st of July to the end of July and I’m

00:55:42 – 00:56:54
stating it in the second week in July and then I state emphatically that it will be exactly halfway between that time that means that it’s only 48 or 72 hours possible to go before the event. Now I wasn’t aware of that. In other words, I wasn’t aware of what I really said because I I stated a fact, but I wasn’t aware of where I was in time right then. So, nobody blurted out, “But Tom, that’s less than 3 days from now.” So, that whole conversation ended that evening, and I went home not being aware

00:56:18 – 00:57:25
at all of we’ve only got 72 hours to go before this will have had taken place, which only added to the frustration when I suddenly became aware of the day of the event. Now, basically what happened, the details don’t matter that much, but I woke up that morning and went to work. Now, I opened the front door to my house and was walking out to leave and the newspaper fell down that was in between the storm door and the the door. Now, that is before the plane crashed. Excuse me. But I experienced

00:56:52 – 00:57:52
seeing that newspaper fall down. And it sort of like told me it was as though I had a slight image, if you will, of the newspaper as that newspaper would appear the next day. I mean, of course, it has to be the day after of the event or to get it on the front page of the newspaper. And there was nothing at all on that newspaper that I was looking at really. It was just the falling of the newspaper. Maybe it was just the timing that I was woke up enough and I was going to work that maybe it was a

00:57:22 – 00:58:37
subconscious awareness that this wasn’t going to be a good day for me. So I realized that and then out loud even though there was nobody around I said oh this is the day I’m you know remembering too much and it was distressing but then I said you know right away caught myself and said oh well and that that’s I can never explain that other how can I ever say oh well and just go on with something else like go and run a bulldozer in a landfill. But I went to work and and I was mauling it over in my mind, you know, that well

00:58:06 – 00:59:13
this has to be and there’s nothing that I can do about it. In other words, the original precognition also stated that the fact is that an L1011 will crash and that I’m aware of it and that certain details have to be. I don’t know if we’ll have time for this conversation to go into some aspects where There were some uh variables that I could take a certain amount of responsibility to to cushion or facilitate or something like that which would make it a little bit easier for somebody say to just go

00:58:42 – 00:59:57
and hug somebody that has to deal with it on a psychological level would be a loving gesture and would make it that much easier than if I were not aware of it. So, I went to work and then I’ve already stated that um and I’m not recalling right now because I’m right now I’m confusing this with another event that around 11:00 I I think that I have this accurate regarding my awareness around 11:00 in the morning our time that um that this was the day and I was getting a little disturbed by running

00:59:19 – 01:00:40
the the loader at the So, I parked the loader and I went down and made arrangements for my replacement and told my boss that uh I’m just not feeling well. That was very important to me because see, I’d never excused myself from work. In other words, this was a major event in my life at the time to uh be either spiritually, spiritual, psychic or emotional enough to disrupt my job. My job was very important to me and to not be in control to uh have this take place. So, I just stated to him that that I would have to leave for

01:00:01 – 01:01:05
the rest of the day. And my boss is very understanding, especially the fact that by this time he had been aware that I’m usually dealing with things other than running bulldozers and loaders, that a majority of the time I may just be concentrating on quantum physics. and he’s compassionate enough and understanding enough to know that if um if I make some kind of a silly request like uh can I just sit down for 15 minutes other than a coffee break uh he’ll never refuse me he’ll instantly

01:00:33 – 01:01:48
say sure Tom and he’ll say do you want me to hang around or do you want me to leave so my good buddy and friend and boss Fred Eastston is very instrumental in in a great deal of my comfort regarding my employment so At any rate, then I came home and I’ve already stated that I called Bruce Grayson on the phone and that the event took place. Now, I have to be honest and say that I’m very surprised that other researchers were very aware of the precognitive aspects of it when they obviously saw it on the news

01:01:10 – 01:02:14
and heard it did not call me. I’m being honest and cuz I was also dealing with, oh my god, now it’s taking place and I shot my mouth off so much. I mean, and I was really down and out because they, oh my god, you know, what have I really done? I mean, this plane crash had to take place, but I’ve shot my mouth off to dozens of people. I mean, dozens. I don’t even know how many. And then I’m trying to remember how much did I tell this person or that person or now that this is going to be on the news, people

01:01:42 – 01:02:38
are going to see it and say, “Oh my god, remember Tom was talking about the plane crash and he said that it would ricochet off a white building or it would land in the mud but not in an airport or there’s any detail that could only be associated with the actual event.” In other words, in hindsight of the event, then the examples that I gave, the analogies, they’re going to say, Tom Sor was talking about this months ago. So, I was kind of saying, “Oh my god, the phone’s going to start

01:02:10 – 01:03:12
ringing.” And then I have to be honest and say I was disappointed that the phone didn’t ring off the hook. I got a few calls but I wasn’t delued by physicists or you know it was like people from the universities that I’ve been associated with. I was actually surprised delighted in a way because I don’t think that that would have been the best thing either for me might have been helpful to them to their research and so on or just their you know gee I want to verify this with Tom. I can

01:02:41 – 01:03:59
understand that. But so it turned out better um that I didn’t get day loss by phone calls. But then in the next couple of months uh several people and many people I did have another talk at Maryanne and Joey’s and that was very emotional and so on and I didn’t deal too much with too many things and I can recall vaguely very ambiguously coming in and saying I don’t know if I’ll be able to talk talk about recent events and I know that’s on your But just bear with me. We’ll talk about

01:03:20 – 01:04:40
other things and I’ll see if I can get into it. And of course, you know, it was close enough time that um the people that were to eventually die. Several of them several of them were in the hospital and still alive. In other words, they were dying of burns and smoke inhilation and things like that uh in comas. And I was very very aware of those people. So to say anything at all until you know how dare I say something like the final count they made and then I was also very very in tune with and

01:04:01 – 01:05:47
attached to and I’ll say incorrectly so overly attached to uh people individuals who survived I’ve tried hard to see it. I guess what what I was really trying to say might be for another conversation, but if you are really aware of something in the future, you or anybody, I mean, clairvoyantly aware or spiritually aware. There are sometimes uh opportunities to in one way or another and judgmentally facilitate something as a love gesture. In other words, can we love the families of people who experience trauma or tragedy

01:05:12 – 01:06:50
or the loneliness of a bereavement of death? Well, yes, we can. Excuse me. Um, can I in Rochester, New York, spiritually or psychically hug somebody who is who is um in a plane crash right now and make their life a little bit better or they’re passing on to death, what we call death. Make their passing a little easier. In other words, does anybody have the ability to spiritually hug somebody and say, “You are in the process of dying, but I want to tell you that you’re not alone and it’s

01:06:00 – 01:07:08
okay.” And the answer is yes. Not only yes have I ever done that and have I gotten a great deal of joy from doing that but I mean anybody can do that in other words in your state of fervent prayer if you if you’re not psychic or you don’t have any major thing to claim towards psychic abilities and this that you can psychically or spiritually hug people that are far far away from you that you don’t even know personally you’ve never met you never will be you have the ability to do that and it makes

01:06:35 – 01:07:55
the world go around a little easier. Well, now that I’ve gotten that out, I’m kind of proud of what I just said. Um, uh, some of that took place. I know recently when we were beginning to, uh, tape before the movie was being talked about that depicts this whole incident called fire and rain. Yeah. people had the opportunity to see that. You said they handled everything quite accurately as far as the detail. Yeah. Yeah. I know that they had taken uh for sure the dialogue off the flight recorders because in that particular

01:07:18 – 01:08:27
movie uh which we saw part of just a few minutes ago uh some of the minor discrepancies that made it more comfortable for me to watch the movie. You can imagine how I would watch that movie compared to anybody else. And even if I dare say um uh a family member of somebody who died on that plane crash, they certainly watched that movie also. And whereas it may have been traumatic for them to watch the movie, uh I’m not trying to I’m not trying to uh brag or build myself up or anything, but bear with me if I say I watched that

01:07:52 – 01:09:15
movie probably different than almost anybody else. I didn’t just watch it as a a good mechanic who knows the the ele eloquent flying ability of an L1011, but how many passengers were aware of that extraordinary piece of machinery that was destroyed? Uh how many people could understand that death is a good thing, not a bad thing? How many people can have a spouse or a a very close relative die and just smile and comfortably know that my father is okay and that uh there will be no bereavement there. How many people can

01:08:34 – 01:09:44
do that? I mean accurately I mean truly do that. Some people can be very intellectual and callous and block and various other things. But the combination of things that I experienced through that plane crash and ongoing I have to say is weird. In other words, the combination of things. Can I see it as a as a spiritual person who wants to hug everybody? Yes, I can. Can I be emotionally directly involved and attached to the individuals in that plane crash? I was. So watching that movie was it was a good thing for me and it

01:09:09 – 01:10:17
didn’t amount to in other words it didn’t really change me at all. But the part that made it more comfortable was for me to view it with the attitude of looking for discrepancies. I was looking for things that were not accurate, such as when the dialogue when they portrayed the plane crashing and the computer uh the computer itself has a a voice and it says, “Pull up.” In other words, in the in the movie, you can hear the computer stating mechanically, “Pull up. Pull up.” And

01:09:46 – 01:10:51
that continues right on through the crash. that was accurate enough and that was the type of voice that in reality that in the the real event sounded like that. But at the same time there were two bells, a a a dinging bell and then a steady ringing bell which was not portrayed at all which was on the voice recorders in the real event. Now see I know that the investigators I’m sure will have known that because they will have listened directly to the tapes but in the movie it made it not real. So it

01:10:18 – 01:11:35
was a little more comfortable for me to view that. Also for instance the portrayal of you know some of the characters that they portrayed you you know that they were portraying a particular person in the event such as the wife of the mechanic that was killed in the car and also like the the portrayal of the crash car did not look anything like the car that was left on the uh expressway that day. And uh also some of the characters were composite of Yes. Yeah. Some of the women that were passengers that were saying uh that they

01:10:58 – 01:12:13
were fearful of flying and that they know they’re not going to make it and that the plane is going to crash ahead of time. uh that was a composite of several people’s attitude focused in on onto what I’m also sure is uh one particular woman who I won’t mention who survived the crash and uh was publicized because very quickly she publicly said what it was like and let’s see I was going to say some of the that she said, but I guess maybe I shouldn’t. Um, for instance, uh, how did

01:11:38 – 01:12:58
she possibly get out of the seat that she was hanging from? Meaning she was at an angle almost upside down, and that there was no way for her to unbuckle her seat belt. And that she stated that the horrendous amount of assistance that was given, the the medical rescuers and so on, but that her attitude was calmed down by spirit and these aren’t her exact words by spiritually knowing that um people cared and people were helping. Uh what else? I think you probably answered this question, but I think to

01:12:26 – 01:13:45
make it apply in people’s lives who are watching the video, you know what what do we do when we receive information that that are of a precognitive nature? How much responsibility do we have to try? You know, we can’t really change what is, but I know in this particular instance, you certainly wish you could. Yeah. As a matter of fact, again, to kind of reiterate or say again where what I what Tom Sawyer did wrong during those months prior to that is I took upon myself knowing first of all, you know, there’s

01:13:05 – 01:14:25
knowing the word K. I knew that that had to take place. It was spiritual information told me this will take place and that plane has to crash on this date. And in these general circumstances, the windshare, which was the mechanical fault, the um other judgmental things that I know for myself and me being judgmental, I blame on the crash, which is different than the official decision. And it and it’s because of additional pieces of information that I have that I could never share with the investigators. And to what for what

01:13:46 – 01:14:57
purpose, right? Know do we want to point the finger at him or her or him? That doesn’t matter. The event took place and mechanically they see that the Doppler effect radar, the the uh wind shear devices should be at the end of runways. We have them in existence. We have the technology. If this were in place, it would have demanded the pilot to go around. The pilot would not would not have been given um part of the responsibility of making that type of of a decision. God forbid he should make an incorrect decision.

01:14:21 – 01:15:34
There’s implications there and that doesn’t help society. So, u you know to alleviate the pilot of as many decisions as possible and to uh mechanically and as instrumentally demand that um you know like a red alert and pull up before they enter the winch year. So things like that is what is important after the fact. Um as far as what I did wrong like taking on the responsibility of knowing that it has to take place but within myself I decided I know too much about this and this is too important. Even the

01:14:57 – 01:16:17
arrogant attitude I Tom Sur don’t want the safest airplane in the air to crash. I mean it to me that’s not justifiable. Uh, in other words, don’t ever hesitate getting on a locked 10-11. I mean, they are, in my opinion, the safest commercial uh jumbo jet in the air. Uh, equal in every way to a 747. Um, I better not say too about too many planes. You and I might be on one of the less on one of the lesser of the uh safest airplanes in the near future. Um, so we will not talk about DCT10s.

01:15:37 – 01:16:42
So we’ll just rattle and roll to our destination. Yes. Safely. Uh, but anyway, what I was saying was to take on that responsibility of deciding that I don’t care what I know spiritually speaking. I’m going to see if I can find this airport. I’m going to see if I can find out when it happens. And if and when I find out exactly when it’s happens, the probability, what I’m trying to tell you, the probability is that I’ll do something to divert that flight, stop that flight, make a phone

01:16:08 – 01:17:25
call, which I’ve never done before. In other words, with the information that this has to take place, we as responsible individuals usually information comes spiritually also that this is how much you can do. Here are some alternatives and that’s it. In other words, you know enough. And this I took it upon myself to try to override and do a one-upsmanship to spir the spiritual flow of destiny. I don’t know if you understand that sense, but and that was incorrect of me and therefore I paid the price.

01:16:49 – 01:17:56
Um, I took on some responsibilities that I have in my history now, my spiritual history at least, that I’ll have to deal with in my next life review that I’ll have to deal with when I become totally spiritual and no longer have the uh psychology and emotions of the humanistic part of Tom Sawyer that is here right now. Um and and I will pay the price. I’m not saying that I’ll be punished or so on and so on, but that will have to be dealt with. And uh if there is a price to pay like u any kind

01:17:23 – 01:18:26
of extraordinary amounts of spiritual energy that I manipulated, well then I’ll have to conserve that. I’ll have to pay the price of the the law of conservation, spiritually speaking. And I and I’m prepared to do that. I’m aware of a great deal of that right now. And I’m prepared uh to pay that price. I decided to do that. But we, you and everybody else have to be very, very careful. The caution here is be very careful as to how much you take on. The casual attitude to say, well, wait a

01:17:55 – 01:19:11
minute. If you know a plane is going to crash, you owe it to society to stop it. And that’s ridiculous. It’s ridiculous because if it’s something that has to be well maybe your part in it is just to further your education or bear with me if I say this to prepare you personally for another event similar or how am I able to go and get the lost little girl and be callous enough to deal with certain aspects of it? Um, will I be a better mechanic knowing that it’s very important to have things

01:18:32 – 01:19:51
correct? Uh, will I be more compassionate having dealt with the very real humanistic emotions of the uh people involved in that plane crash? And will I be able to be more compassionate toward my family, toward you? The answer is yes to all of that. So again, the the just justification of having knowledge like this or having gone through something like what I’ve described in its entirety, there are many many aspects that justify it all. In other words, was it an opportunity for me to test myself? And I was how

01:19:11 – 01:20:22
arrogant or how righteous can I get and can I be so righteous in my mind that I can override spiritual knowledge and misuse or manipulate spiritual knowledge? The answer to that is yes. I mean those opportunities are there. The ability is there. Now, as to what I ever finally do or don’t do, it’s partially up to me and partially up to spiritual matters that are manipulated from the other side of it by the light or by God. Um, what was the other part of that statement? Because you actually asked a

01:19:47 – 01:21:00
question for him. said what what can we learn from what could other people uh feel they should do in terms of if they get precognitive uh information and what responsibility do they have to have done all right if any of you or if I get a a precognition of any nature any kind there are different types there’s the types where you get the knowledge and you know that you have to know it and that’s it that pretty much sizes it all up because no matter what you do, striving or trying to change or alter or

01:20:23 – 01:21:27
become overly involved or not or totally shunning it totally, uh you just won’t do it because it it’s it’s predestined. This is information that you have to know. You may not have an explanation. You may not have any kind of rationale regarding it, but that’s it. So, that covers that and there’s not much else to say about that. Some are wonderful, some are tragic. Some you simply have to know about it and tough shrug of the shoulders. It’s that’s part of life, if you will. Okay. But then

01:20:56 – 01:22:15
there are other types where you can know of a future event that is changeable. Now, the most horrendous in in this part of the century practically, if I can claim that because I wasn’t alone. I don’t have to claim this for a Tom Sawyer thing. Uh I was part of it. uh on a global scale as a matter of fact uh the nuclear detonation which was zeroed right in on in fact I think the closest I came to was saying by August 15th meaning no sooner than July but no later than August 15th of 1988 and I mean that was

01:21:35 – 01:22:41
very accurate that was that was also 100% real was no figment of anybody’s imagination this was global in scale. There were several other people who had this for more than 10 years of precognition. I don’t mean I think by the end of the century there’ll be a nuclear detonation. No, that’s that’s either fakery or such low-level cyclic awareness that the probability of a of a earthquake or the probability of a nuclear detonation before the turn of the century. That’s that’s not what I’m

01:22:09 – 01:23:24
talking about. I’m talking about if you have uh genuine precognition of factual nature to one degree or another. uh as we all dealt with that or a majority of the people dealt with that even my shared knowledge talking to you and people like the people that will be viewing this tape that I have knowledge and I want to share it with you and I told you that even though I’m fair and I say there will be the highest of probability I knew that it would be if things were allowed to go as they were the alternative was which was

01:22:46 – 01:23:52
information given to me spiritually was that if I can change some of my attitude, if the world in general, the populace of the world would change their attitude alone, in other words, an attitudal change more toward love than material and hatred and right righteousness and uh vendettas and all those things that are handicaps for us in the long run. Way, you know, at least in the long run, they’re they’re tragedies. They’re handicaps. You may justify them at the moment, but they’re not going to be

01:23:19 – 01:24:21
justified in your life review. Uh you may say, “Well, you hit me. I had to hit you back and I was justified. In the eyes of the law, it’s okay. I’m vindicated.” Yeah. wait till the life review or or wait till two months from now when you find you have to be with that person either in a business relationship or you might need the assistance or help of that person that you righteously got the the better of. I mean, it’s a wonderful thing that the person you shake your fist at and scream

01:23:50 – 01:24:57
and yell in the traffic jam, knowing that you’ll never see that person turns out to be your boss in the near future or turns out to be your next door neighbor. I mean, that’s the kind of thing I’m talking about. Um, there are many things we can do. You have to deal with it very carefully. You have to deal with it intelligently. You have to be one of the things you have to be careful of is don’t run right out and start bragging. That’s something that’s delightful. It’s fun. And I’m being

01:24:24 – 01:25:40
honest. I mean, some of the things that I brag about, I brag and it’s fun and and hey, wow. And there’s no denying that. The sensationalism involved in that, uh, you have to be careful to not feed on that. uh I mean there’s many examples that I’ve given before of one individual who became clinically practically clinically dead only because of the sensationalism and the greed therefore the greed of the sensationalism and he a good friend of mine um almost died only from the greed and then the ego that

01:25:01 – 01:26:15
feeds off of the greed to uh the sensationalism of feeding off your greed gains ego. You may become egotistical or that uh spiritual ego is not healthy and uh it can kill you can physically kill you can disrupt you to say the least and uh Mark Evans is a perfect example of that almost the ultimate example of that and he’s doing okay now having gone through that uh yes he was um in a hospital bed dying the doctors threw up their arms and said this man there is nothing wrong with this man and he’s dying and one thing

01:25:38 – 01:27:05
led to another and with assistance from a lot of people uh which I was indirectly kind of directly involved in um having to do with him having precognition that could well see that’s not true to state that way he had many many precognitions and he could have handled all of them but he sensationalized the sensationalist aspect of them and uh uh he even sold in other words uh you come to my house and for $5 I’ll share with you some future events and even though they can be done for some people in a certain way I’m not

01:26:22 – 01:27:21
criticizing and condemning people who uh give readings futuristic readings okay I’m not condemning that it’s not the same thing I’m talking about and I’m saying that if you are balanced and I like to point to you know your heart chakra and so on you are balanced in that and using that as a a justifiable or a righteous uh facilitation to assist and love people. Even if it’s done for an income, if you have to do that for an income, I’m not judging that either. Not talking about that same thing. I’m

01:26:51 – 01:28:01
talking about uh that which I did with the plane crash uh that Mark Evans did with many precognitions uh of all different natures. Uh he sensationalized that and it devastated him. I mean, he lost his security in his family. He lost his finances. He lost practically everything. And he had to quote unquote start all over again. And he’s doing okay now. God bless him. I mean, and he’s where he should be right now in view of his acts of free will. Be careful of your acts of free will and what they’re based on. Uh be

01:27:27 – 01:28:38
very careful because for instance, you can say this is such extraordinary information. You should know about this. And I mean, I know things right now that I want to share with you, and you would do well to know it, but where do you draw the line? And I right now have to draw the line that I’m not going to share with you a few things that I know. Excuse me. In other words, in uh other judging everything, you know, there’s so many things are a trade-off. If I become a psychic, I become a well-known psychic, there’s a

01:28:02 – 01:29:01
trade-off. my phone is going to be ringing for the types of phone calls that I shouldn’t be bothered with. You’re of no value to me and in the long run there’ll be of little or no value to the person calling. Um, are you the one in the inquir magazine? Click. And that did a lot of good for the caller. Did it do any good for me? Yeah. Rang my phone, interrupted me, and I had to say, “Oh, there’s somebody else sensationalizing that they saw my picture, my name in the Inquirer magazine.”

01:28:31 – 01:29:28
uh those things. Be careful of that. You say, “I’d like to be a movie star.” Whoa. Movie stars sometimes work 16 hours a day, 20 hours a day, and they’re very lonely at times. I mean, you think it’s take for granted you go to the shopping center, you walk around and buy a new pair of shoes. If you’re very famous, you can’t do that. You can’t do that comfortably. Um, I mean, look, the little bit that I’ve been public and I, you know, because I’ve been very choosy

01:28:59 – 01:30:03
and so on. I’ve been in restaurants and have people come and interrupt Elena in my dinner and saying, uh, you know, I 99% of the people and I can’t complain about that because it’s been done in good taste and and both Elaine and I or especially me have have never been devastated by my popularity, my fame. I I mean the dictionary definition of famous was if you’re well known why are you well known and what does that mean? Uh I’ve been prepared for that and and I’ve taken that I’ve coped with that

01:29:31 – 01:30:42
very well. So regarding anything that you or you might be dealing with think of those things ahead of time and I mean think them all the way through. What do you really want and what does it really mean? What you get? And you know, you can deceive yourself into saying, “Oh, no. I’m doing this as a love gesture.” When you’re really building your own ego as I want to be known as a hugger, therefore I hug. That isn’t the right motivation. That’s not correct. Uh it’s okay if you’re known as a hugger or not.

01:30:06 – 01:31:29
And that you should want to hug somebody spontaneously because the opportunity is there and you will feel good making them feel good. and you know that they will feel good receiving that from you and you’ll get whatever you get out of that more unconditional tradeoff. Um I I should say a thing or two quickly about in hindsight of the event because oh for instance um well one one minor little detail is that some of the details that I’m aware of now that I have been aware of uh should really never be brought to light

01:30:53 – 01:32:13
that phrase brought to life or made public. That was what good would it do for me to give information to a surviving relative how traumatic it was for their spouse or how [Music] um non something was non-traumatic. In other words, in the last few minutes, not even minutes, in the last few seconds of the plane flight when it was obvious that something was terribly wrong. In other words, when they bounced off the field, uh they didn’t really experience the car being crushed on the the people on the plane did not really

01:31:33 – 01:32:49
experience that the the jarring and and uh G forces of coming back up off the field. It was just like part of that know they didn’t experience a separate event of the uh trucks or the you know the tires uh crushing the car on the expressway where the mechanic died. Um, what did the mechanic in the car experience? Uh, I will publicly share that. Uh, I’m aware of the last few seconds. And of course, he was dealing with his birthday, the extraordinary, beautiful uh, love of his wife and kids. In other

01:32:13 – 01:33:19
words, he was just like mauling over in his mind. Uh, it was his birthday. His family was back. I believe in Mississippi and he can’t wait to bring him out to Texas because he’s getting financially squared away now. He’s got a full-time job. All the joy of that and dealing with how nice how much he appreciated his uncle staying at his house temporarily while he got the uh uh the new residence established. And that wasn’t portrayed in the movie, I don’t think. uh those again I’m going off in

01:32:47 – 01:33:55
too many details personalized details but those he was so proud that he had already made arrangements for things and see I don’t know how much his wife even knows today as to how much he had already done for the new residents I’ll say it that way and that part of the phone conversation the surprise happy birthday would be additional details that guess what you can come out here sooner Yeah, those sort of things of what value is that to the spouse, you know, to his wife, probably none at all

01:33:21 – 01:34:36
in the long run. Uh, and yet compassionately to know that he experienced a minimal of discomfort. In other words, in time frame, it was like mauling all these beautiful, wonderful things over in his mind and kind of coping with the uh obvious storm coming which was just reaching him. And as he was in uh the rain part of it and the severe gusty winds and then to just uh be there and just quickly look like that and then in other words, how traumatic was it? Well, to just go there was not even enough time to take a breath before

01:33:58 – 01:34:58
he was in a a a clinical death state, an unconscious state, not able to breathe and so on. I don’t know the actual physical death part of it. Uh because it happened so quickly and so dramatically that uh his body was just crushed. All right. Now, if we can have compassion for somebody who dies of cancer over a three-year period or a prolonged oncoming death, judgmentally, we take a little bit of comfort into knowing that well, he didn’t die a long prolonged death. He had an aneurysm and he died in

01:34:28 – 01:35:37
a few seconds. That was he was out of pain in a half of a minute. Um so regarding the mechanic it would be fair to say that uh he was not in any physical trauma at all to speak of other than the amount of time of seeing something abnormal which was in his perception if I dare say that um just this large dark thing you know you know if a snowball hits the side of your car window at the moment you don’t even know what it is and it’s a a shocking thing and then you have to stop and see and

01:35:03 – 01:36:07
then say, “Oh, it’s a snowball.” All right. Well, none of that time was taken. In other words, he did with his physical eyes look to the side window and see the what we know is the wheels. He didn’t know it was wheels. He didn’t know it was an airplane. Uh he knew just instantly that it was something not good. And then he was unconscious, not able to function in in any respect. uh notice he was already at a state of clinical death. And that’s very beautiful because that then

01:35:35 – 01:36:40
automatically propelled him into the clinical death state which we know is the onset of the near-death experience. And and that is judgmentally a good thing, not a bad thing, regardless of how much of a life review he had and the circumstances of his of his transition into what we say is death, which is just the uh future life that we’re going to be living very differently. what we live now. So there can be a degree of comfort in in say giving information like that to a spouse. But other circumstances uh

01:36:07 – 01:37:25
where there was a severe burning, prolonged agony, if you will, that’s pretty much worthless. Um, if we’re so spiritually evolved, we know that the physical trauma, the psychological trauma in a in a a death, an oncoming death state, meaning the the thing that you die from, the act of dying, the the act of dying can be painful and gross. That’s okay. That’s justifiable because spiritually we often know that the trauma that you experience in your life is for a purpose. know all the physical pain isn’t totally

01:36:46 – 01:37:57
justifiable. Some you bring on yourself, some is accidental, some is but spiritually most of us know that there is there is a cause and effect relationship and it’s usually justifiable. So in that respect um you know we can deal with the sadness of the tragedy involved. You know, I as I’m talking, I’m missing something that I wanted to include in this taping because we talked about the precognition aspect of it. Um, how do you deal with things of this nature? How am I able to cope with the

01:37:21 – 01:38:37
psychological aspects of it alone? And I was very often let me state that there’s a new phrase like post stress syndrome or post trauma syndrome uh kind of came out of the Vietnam War post uh combat stress and things like that. And I’ve been questioned several times by many clinicians and so on um Tom if you ever heard of such a thing because they didn’t want to suggest it to me either. Uh so very carefully they said how are you able to deal with things that we would never expect um a

01:37:59 – 01:39:02
professional clinician or a professional emergency medical technician who might deal with this on a daily basis. You’re none of those things and how can you function normally? How can you go to sleep at night? And I don’t have a good explanation for that. But let me put it this way with the extraordinary experience initially I had with the near-death experience and being part of that light that says it all. I mean all the stuff that we deal with as our priorities right now watching this film

01:38:31 – 01:39:32
this taping is a priority and oh gee we’re learning new things about precognitions and that it’s a priority. But wait a minute are you suddenly forgetting about the thing you did bad last night? See, the thing you did naughty or bad last night isn’t a priority. And it’s like nothingness. It’s part of your history. And and it is you, but it’s not a priority anymore. And I’ve got I mean I have to I’ll sound like I’m bragging but I’ve got an extraordinary ability so

01:39:01 – 01:40:20
far not talking about tomorrow of emotionally and psychologically on the humanistic level to uh prioritize and rationalize why me? Why do I have to know this? Why did I know this ahead of time? Will there be things that I’m shocked about? And the answer is yes, there will. I mean, I’m sure that there will be within the next couple of days. Uh, will Todd be able to call me in the next 48 hours or so and say, “Uh, Dad, thanks so much for for warning me about whatever this day is.” Um, will that be joyous for me or

01:39:44 – 01:40:57
will that be traumatic for me? It doesn’t really matter in the long run because I do have which I’m counting on. I mean, hopefully I can count on this overriding or shall I say underlying awareness of the light at the end of the tunnel and that no matter how traumatic and bad things are, no matter how I deal with things in general, that uh it’ll all come out in the wash and that’ll all be either justifiable or that it’ll just be understood. But at least it will be understood and that our job is to try to

01:40:20 – 01:41:06
understand. if we succeed or not, it isn’t so important as long as we try and that full understanding will be had by everybody in their transitional state uh in their life review or in the the next life. How that sound? That’s good. Thank you and I love you.