Tom Sawyer talked about earth changes, healing with humor, and the power of prayer.  Recorded in September, 1989. Duration: 1h 57mins. (33 pages)

 

Raw Transcript:

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One of the subjects that we could get into right away that Florida people are probably most concerned with some of the natural changes and specifically deal with the drought that they’re going through. Yeah, basically and typical of me start very well very basically in that uh the current drought right now as the last year the last four or five years is mostly cyclical as opposed to a sudden strange phenomenon. um the Midwest last couple of years uh especially certain sections of Midwest and so on is experiencing extreme

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drought conditions and so on. Uh this is not the big earth change. Uh a majority of the drought conditions is the 10year cyclical uh dry weather which often times last for two or three years. So I would uh encourage people to anticipate uh especially the farmers and so on to anticipate much better weather in the next year or two. Um and now that I’ve said that that the extreme degrees of the cyclical drought condition uh is not cyclical. I guess what I’m saying let me try to say it a different way. uh all

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the way in fact all the way around the world. What you will be experiencing for the first time in better than a hundred years or a couple hundred years or for the first time altogether are record-breaking situations. In other words, in any given area, most people within the next year and two years will experience the record breaking low temperature, record-breaking high temperature in those seasons, but also totally out of season. have a record-breaking low and high temperature. Uh either extreme amounts

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of rainfall uh which has already been taking place the last couple years in places where they’ll have uh 6 in a foot of rain as opposed to a severe storm of an inch and a half to two inches. And that is not cyclical. That is uh gradual earth changes by our standards but extreme rapid earth changes by uh geological and um astronomical measurements that which takes place in a 100 years is very quick by those standards and yet we experience them that gee the last four or five years I’ve noticed a lot more rain or a lot

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less rain. So, it’s kind of a trade-off, but I I really want to emphasize because of the things that we’ve been reading about in tabloids and talking about in groups like our ourselves, the groups that we put ourselves in, um that this is not the big emergency condition that you have to run from, you know, increased severity in uh hurricanes. The last season in the season that we’re in right now actually has not been quite as intensive as I predicted. I mean, I really really predicted some

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pretty devastating extremes. Uh, we have had a few more in numbers of those things that I talked about, which I know there’s, as far as I know, I’m very accurate on. I’m talking the last five year period of time, especially the last two years. Uh, increased volcanic activity. Uh, I’ve been right on the money as far as in other words, whatever. I like I give the suggestion I say yes, there’ll be an increase in number and it’ll be places like list the places and as a matter of fact as we’re

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filming right now um Mount Etna what is today’s date do you know okay well so it because of the time differentiation and I mentioned this a couple of hours ago it will have been then which means um either the the 12th last evening the 12th and the 13th today September, uh, Mount Etna will be, uh, just quaking and spouting very beautiful, pictorially beautiful, uh, amounts of lava, but again, not devastating. In other words, uh I’m suggesting that by I’m looking at the clock by uh well if it’s close to noon

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now uh that around this time plus 6 or 7 hours difference that this is actually subsiding right now and that if it increases it will not be utterly devastating meaning wiping out a city or something like that. Um in the last couple of hours it will have been very brilliant uh firet type fountains and flowing down the mountain Mount Edin itself but not making a river. So that’s something that we’ll have to wait till tomorrow to see in the newspaper or uh possibly on the news uh later on today. But then by the time

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that this is viewed in the weekend that will have been history. I I’m getting good at saying it will have had happened. I remember a couple years ago about this time of year you told us about fact that we see lightning in the snow which I’ never seen before. I don’t know why we had we that was a phenomenon that was really interesting. Do you see anything um say in the next year weather pattern wise or even with the hurricane down Florida first of all you know to uh to mix in with the lightning and the snow because

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that is rare and uh uh we experienced quite a bit of that in the Rochester area this last season before even though we had almost no snow which was the alltime record uh least amount of snow that we’ve ever had. Um that’s going to continue. Now that is a combination of actual airborne particle. Now there’s airborne chemical particles in the atmosphere which give a a conduit so to speak for the um lightning to even travel through to travel through. So that which was never visually seen did

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take place, but it wasn’t able to be focused in a single spot. I was to form a lightning bolt and therefore give off that flash of light. Um that’s going to increase uh by my standards because of the increased pollution. I’m not blaming on just that, but also the amount of um disturbance in the upper atmosphere, meaning uh just outside our atmosphere. And uh I can’t recall the different names for the different ionospheres and stuff like that, but uh in the near vicinity of the the Earth itself, we’re

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getting more uh meteorites and that type of activity. Even if they just be small little ice balls as opposed to the iron type meteorites, uh will have all of that. And that affects the uh electronic so to speak of the ionization of the atmosphere I think I’m talking about and that therefore we’re going to have uh and something that I’ve been waiting for in the last 5 years is um what I’ll call u see bolts of lightning meaning we have lightning is big and strong and so on and uh it’s not nice to get lightning

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we might want to go with them. Uh it’s not usually fun. Uh but as opposed to that which we’ve been measuring the last four or five years or in our lifetime, uh we should this next season like next spring, the next couple of years see uh uh extreme conditions. In other words, larger size bolts of lightning, uh, more amperage, more voltage, and doing damage to buildings and things like that. It’s not just an increase in number, but an increase in intensity with that. Again, not not that

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you shouldn’t go and play golf, but as a matter of fact, if you do play golf, that would be something to consider as opposed to saying, well, let’s see if we can get this last two holes in and in the next couple of years, especially summer type thunderstorms, you would really do well to actually be overcautious and get right off the uh open fields and out from under the tree and get inside a building that is grounded a little better. Uh that’s a serious consideration in terms of the

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radiation that especially folks living down Florida area. Um would you have any suggestions as far as the protection from the sun or the Yeah. Um, generally it doesn’t matter where you live. I would want to say to everybody, be extra cautious of that. Um, of course we’re learning enough now that to sit out in the sun and sunbathe and get that wonderful tan is not the greatest thing to do anyway. Never has been. But now, you know, forgetting about that about the uh know that by the time you’re 45, you’ll have as many

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wrinkles as I do. um worse than that in the just the last year or two because I think I talked about this for the first time within the last five years let’s say and that uh the depletion of the ozone now that’s both fact and fiction in other words here we have with the scientists arguing with each other that uh that that is cyclical too that so-called hole in the uh above the uh Antarctic uh is cyclical in other that’s normal and it goes in a cycle of a single year. So as they were measuring

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it for the first time in history, they’re saying, “Wow, look, it’s actually uh a depletion of the ozone layer and that the ultraviolet rays are being extremely uh intense and not only shining and therefore melting the Antarctic at an accelerated rate, but reaching up to the southern tip of South America and any land masses nearby. Um, and that is a serious uh precaution. I’m so stuck for words today. Um, yeah, it would actually be a precaution. Um, for instance, if you’re in that area, uh, and and especially in

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the summertime, the spring and the summertime, you really shouldn’t go out. You shouldn’t be exposed to the direct rays of the sun. uh as opposed to five years ago, it would have been really perfectly okay and normal by our standards. As far as where we live, now it’s in the United States, uh with the exception of Alaska and say, uh well, I guess the illutions are pretty well protected, too. Um again, the caution is still there and you should minimize your exposure to ultraviolet gamma radiation

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of any kind, if it be from a laboratory or from the sun’s rays. But the biggest problem is with skin cancers and things like that from the sun’s rays and that will be a good tenfold by my standards tfold increase in uh intensity and therefore we humans will be uh 10 times more susceptible uh to that kind of exposure and it should be minimized as far as an extreme danger. Are your friends going to start dropping like flies? No, not the next year or two. But you know, our habitual patterns, it’s what we do

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every day. In other words, if you’re a sun worshiper, if you go boating, if you’re a construction worker, uh you might want to start considering a job change, a change in patterns that uh if you have an 18t runabout boat, okay, that’s big enough to put a canvas, a canopy or canvas, you might want to consider that. uh as well as consider as opposed to fishing from sun up to sundown, fish a little bit in the morning and then late in the afternoon as opposed to through the midday, things

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like that. And and we’re going to have to uh to be well, we’re going to have to consider things like that and give up a few things, too. But generally, common sense will take care of everything that’s taking place right now. the common sense precautions as to just running around naked in the sun, which is fun to do, uh, but you might want to minimize it. Um, I do anticipate the possibility within a very short period of time, and again that means a couple of years as opposed to 10 years or 100 years. Um, and especially

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my perception of Florida, and I’m not that familiar with Florida. I haven’t been down there. I haven’t been down there walking around, but uh the fact that it is pretty well surrounded by the Gulf and the ocean and things like that, especially people that are along the shoreline, uh such as West Palm Beach, that um again, common sense should dictate that if you’re going to have a house or a condominium or build a building on the shore, plan to have it flooded. I mean, just very bluntly, plan

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on it. I mean, don’t deceive yourself and say, “Well, it hasn’t in 50 years or some attitude like this. In other words, actually anticipate it that way when there is a severe storm and our warning systems are getting much much better. Uh take heat, move out temporarily and just say I would rather have a house on the beach and have it flooded once a year um or have it devastated, have it wiped right out and rebuild. And then your attitude is such that you can plan accordingly. But if you start deceiving

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yourself, say, “Oh, this is just a bunch of mumbo jumbo, and it’s been going on for a long time, and it’s and people are being overly cautious and not enjoying their lifestyle.” Um, I would recommend that a little extra caution be taken. Um, again, my phrase is tsunami, which you don’t usually consider in the Gulf of Mexico, but that type of event where you’ll have a super wave. I know there’s a tidal wave, but the way the wave functions in the middle of the ocean, uh, nobody sees it, nobody

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experiences. You can be on a ship and go up 60 70 ft and be riding that wave and never even notice it because it it’s it’s more rounded as opposed to that curl type. See, we think of a wave as crashing on the shore, curling, and as opposed to a wave function happening in the middle of the ocean, there’s no white water to it, and it may or may not even push a boat. That will make the boat go straight up smoothly as it as the wave goes underneath. Well, regarding those very massive waves, uh

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again the name comes to mind as tsunami or um an actual tidal wave uh which will be created from uh geological activity in the Gulf of Mexico and in the Atlantic Ocean and off the Florida Keys, that area. Uh let’s see, because we’re at the end of summertime though, aren’t we? Um well, we’re still right in the midst of this season. and uh don’t want to go out on a limb and either scare people or um you know say something that is incorrect. U I you know be aware of things like

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that. Uh the next couple years we should see something that will bring a lot of water up on the shore and that’s very ambiguous. That’s like saying almost nothing at all but um Going back to the melting of Antarctica, we just read an article recently that if it doesn’t just happen slowly that if it collaps in that’s very measurable, right? And that would create um you know if that happened that would create uh a different a totally different kind of erosion. In other words, massive

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erosion. It would change the water table all through Florida. Florida’s very famous for basically sitting on water. Um you know this the the clear water, the spring water and so on. I mean, to me, I I often see Florida just as a big sponge, and it’s okay, and you can enjoy the sponge, but be careful as to how much you dig out from under it and put pressure on top of it because a sponge has a tendency to squish down or gush water or form sink holes, things like that. And that the overdevelopment of

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Florida is a very serious geological problem right now. Um all development is not bad but the amount of development is uh it’s it’s borderline right now. It’s in the extreme condition and it’s being addressed too. Not only politically but realistically. um some developers of today as opposed to 15 years ago are interested in pleasing the people for the long-term effect because they in their lifetime don’t want to say well I got my money and I don’t care if it sinks or not or crumbles or has water

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problems uh the people are more compassionate now the builders and so on still just as materialistic but they will actually consider the long-term effect and that’s good but don’t let up on that and whatever pressure people living in that area could uh put on that, you know, it’s addressing the issue. Don’t ignore that issue. Um if that continues, uh there’s going to be loss of life because of just the um again the the vibration. Sometimes we don’t consider that in development.

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you’re running heavy equipment and just the fact that you have houses that are changing the wind patterns on the surface and effect equates to vibration and things will either crumble and sink or form artisian wells because of additional pressures nearby. There’s water coming up, oils and things coming up out of the ground as well as sink holes and things of that nature. Uh the pressure and and pushing effect of shorelines both inwardly and outwardly has to be considered along with just

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long-term vibrations including extreme low frequencies which we don’t usually experience but exist in other words it’s u squirrel cage fans uh exhaust fans of restaurants people don’t think that that’s uh hazardous or detrimental but if you have four or five restaurants on a corner on a major intersection uh they give off often extreme extreme low frequency vibrations which can literally crack the pavement. I mean physically literally put that type of vibrational differentiation from that which was

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normal 5 years ago and create um shattering effects. I don’t want to just dwell on the negative but sometimes you have to hear about this to then realistically say well I’m going to be aware of that. That’s often enough. Um because you you actually asked about the Antarctic. Uh I don’t see a problem with the Antarctic either melting uh at an accelerated rate and creating a problem of water conditions or it the continent collapsing. I don’t see that in the very near future meaning 2 to 5

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years. I don’t really see that as a problem. uh there is a few things that can take place which are being cautioned and addressed meaning uh scientific investigation and the pollution of the Antarctic that’s an extreme importance the whatif scenario if we uh make mistakes and either through our airborne particles have dust particles which are darker in color on a very minor scale you won’t even see it with your eyes necessarily but the sun beating down on a piece of dust will scoot up to 200° as

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opposed to the whitish or clear uh ice and snow. The whitish color will reflect that and remain at close to freezing temperature. That can be horrendous and that can take place in two-year period of time. For instance, a major volcanic activity anywhere in the world can throw enough dust into the air and in one year’s time coat the surface of the Antarctic. Granted, allowing for the snow which will of course then cover up that dust, but the effect can be quite devastating. In other words, an extreme

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acceleration in a period of two years in time. And u so in other words, with man’s intervention, I say that there’s no natural uh catastrophe or accelerated depletion of the Antarctic ice shell. I don’t see that as a problem at all. Uh as far as it collapsing and creating uh the tidal wave action and so on. If that happens, then that is the scenario. In other words, the shoreline of Australia, South America, and so on. And eventually over a couple months period of time, reaching the inlets and and bays and so on all

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the way around the the world because that can have a worldwide effect, but I don’t see that as a problem right now. People are probably quite concerned about your health situation. Do you mind if we see I’m smiling? You’re doing drugs amazing? you know, they can make you smile even though you normally should be frowning. Um, yeah, I’ve got some rather serious problems in my back. I’ve got three herniated discs, uh, fractured vertebrae and so on. So, no, there’s some very physically real

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undeniable problems. Um, when it comes to very bluntly and I’ll get right to the point where some of my friends said, uh, Tom, we have seen you heal yourself before. what are you doing now? Um that tradeoff between see it depends on somebody who listens to this film I would wish that by now they have been exposed to uh different types of charismatic healing or uh the power of self-healing uh love gestures in other words group healings things like that. So first of all accepting most of that which you’ve

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read or heard about um that is feasible. So, why am I not doing it? Well, it just isn’t correct for me right this minute, right now. Uh, I would dare say within the next month and a half, I may physically and spiritually and literally do something uh to assist myself. I’m not purposely not doing anything either. This is physical. This is real. And the difference between for instance accelerating a healing of a a cut and a wound. Um cartilage damage uh nerve pressures like the sciatic nerve of the smaller back can affect

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paralysis in your legs and so on which I’m experiencing from a physical undeniably the disc the protrusion of the disc is pushing on the nerve. Okay? So you have to physically move that you can’t wish it away. You can’t a sudden attitudinal change of the power of positive thinking and have the pain and paralysis go away from that. Many many many of those cases I think more than half can be totally cured and healed rather instantly by attitudinal change which can be brought on by hugging

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somebody, by having somebody read a book, see a sunset, have a spontaneous spiritual awakening. all those things that create and cause uh uh sometimes an instantaneous healing or a very short period of time which we may see as accelerated healing and that’s all real and that works getting back to me that’s not the case in my physical situation um I’m going to require surgery as it stands right now and that will be the quickest and most intelligent way to deal with this problem I have a buildup

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of calcium which has to be chis led away. Uh, can that be uh dissolved other ways? Yes, it can, but it’s not the most feasible way for me in my circumstances. As far as the amount of pain that I’m in currently and why I was not able to travel at this time, it had nothing to do with the traveling. It only had to do with me physically and that this injury was actually experienced seven years ago. And in seven years, I have been spiritually and emotionally denying the existence of the amount of damage. And I

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have done well. And I’m now not paying the price because I don’t want anybody to get the idea that, you know, I’m paying the price for feeling good for seven years. But that’s actually a true statement. Um, in other words, you can’t just go on denying uh, let me put it this way. A bone structure is moved or damaged or broken. All right? And it doesn’t heal properly, heals at a 90° angle when the bone is supposed to be straight. Well, in all probability, all the old shanties in the

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world aren’t going to do anything with that. You’re going to have to rebre it, set it properly, and and allow it to heal. Now if it takes six to 12 weeks well yes you can do your little shanti and have a good attitude and have it heal properly in four or five weeks that’s that borderline difference uh for a majority of the situations where you can accelerate healing but there are limits in other words see some people are actually calling for a miracle for me to either create for myself or for me to with God’s uh

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intervention have a miracle. It’s not necessary. I mean, what do you ask for? That’s too selfish. That’s too extraordinary to expect a miracle. I know there’s a cute little bumper sticker and it says expect a miracle and that’s beautiful. But to realistically, for this purpose, because I’m in physical pain, to demand a miracle, you see that’s too selfish and it’s not correct. Um, regarding spiritual matters in general, you should request and expect and god forbid if you have to

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demand something, but I don’t think that’s even possible. But um, to expect and participate in the minimum amount of energy to solve the problem or get the job done or reach the goal that you’re after. This is a truth of almost everything spiritually. I’m philosophizing right now as opposed to just zeroing in on the problem with my back. Um, and that’s true of my back also. Now, this you can apply this to anything spiritual. Uh, you should request and should use the minimum requirement to reach the goal. Uh, my

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goal right now is to certainly feel better so that I can physically do more things. Excuse me. There is a possibility uh a possibility not a probability right now that uh I’d be paralyzed. there’s a realistic possibility of that and I’ll cross that bridge when it comes to regarding that right this minute I don’t know the outcome I mean very often I have talked about things that will happen to me and they happen and so on just know ahead of time but regarding this situation the total package I can’t

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know because it involves other people’s free will it involves the the uh karma so to I’ll use that phrase, the karma, the free will of my surgeon, of uh the system, meaning the medical system that I’m involved in right now. Uh my free will uh even Elaine, my wife Elaine’s free will. There’s too much involved for me to just be in total control. And uh you know, even if I was in total control, I would still have a need, if you will. I know that’s some people get furious when they say I need

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this pain right now. I just hope that somebody can either understand or if they don’t understand just disregard it when it comes to I don’t like talking about me anyway. Okay. You were talking about accelerated healing here and a really good example that was in taling and positive. Yeah, I want to compliment Father Dennis Benson visited me a night or two ago and uh I did tell him that if I had surgery I would let him know when so that he could and what was his phrase uh precision bombing.

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Yeah. Well, you know, he knows that I like airplanes and things of that nature. So, uh what he normally probably would have said love bombing or or the power of fervent prayer. Uh he decided that for me it would be called precision bombing. And he has of course a networking of uh people who uh understand the power of prayer and love gestures of that nature. So, uh when that time comes out, I’ll be I’ll have all I can handle because I’ll be precision bomb. Um, the phrase I use, lovebombing, is very important when it

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comes to healing the people around you. In other words, you and whatever condition and position you’re in with whatever knowledge you have, you might not consider yourself a healer, but you can be. And this is a good example. I like sharing it with people because this was handled not miraculously at all. Um I did I mean this was my son so I did do some uh abnormal things and so on and for the purposes of uh you know this was my son too so I spend a little extra time and a little a lot of extra energy

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but I don’t want to focus on that so much I want to focus on come on let’s get realistic know here you are your neighbors think that you’re nuts for going to metaphysical anything and this and that and that and that Well, when they have a headache, can you cure them of the headache and not say there there is metaphysics and and I cured your headache? Never mind all the ego involved in everything. What do you do realistically this day and tomorrow? Well, Tim was injured severely in a car

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accident. The car slid into a tree at about 50 miles an hour and um uh Tim was in the passenger side and the glass window of the passenger side he was looking out watching the tree come straight into his face. So not only was the tree uh gave him a severe concussion. Uh but of course the glass lacerated his his face. It only required I think 17 stitches. Not sure the number but it was less than 20 stitches. Uh but the cuts were severe and deep. Uh in particular, one uh severe laceration that if you took a

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razor blade knife and traced around my finger like that, that flap was completely out. It was all the way into his cheek. That was probably the most severe because being on the cheek and so on couldn’t go back in place and be healed. Well, uh, with lacerations all over his face, a broken arm, uh, injured ribs and so on. Here’s Tim. And, uh, when that took place, I was fortunate enough to, uh, be at the hospital that he would go to. I was working in the area. Sounds like the other one. Well, it’s family,

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right? Well, I plan the work day so that around that time frame I would be uh here at the hospital and um in fact they had trouble getting in touch with me because uh I was waiting uh at the hospital. Elaine gets curious when she hears this and again you know what should you do and what can you do? How dare you conceivably precognitively know about the injury of your own son and allow it to happen? You have to do that. I mean the the truth of the matter is and the the true love of the whole system

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meaning life in general is you can’t interfere with life’s learning experiences uh karma uh things like that. You you should not interfere with that. you should interfere with that very cautiously, very carefully, and also minimally. So, um, I did my part to make sure I was in the right position, meaning at the hospital. And when Tim arrived, I helped with the the stretcher, pull him out of the ambulance, and he was conscious at the time. And most important thing is that is the eye contact. In other words, for

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him to be able to see dad there, or dad or mom. I don’t mean to play favorites or anything, but to have somebody familiar there to make him that much more comfortable. And um you know, I mean, I just like any parent would do, I put my hand on the on his chest very gently and got a little closer and winked at him and just said uh you know, casually like, “How you doing?” Not actually asking a question, but really saying hello. And uh he looked up and recognized me and he said, “Uh, hi, Dad.

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I guess I look pretty bad, huh? And I says, “Well, don’t worry about how you look right now.” He says, “Just, you know, relax and everything’s okay and you know, you’re going to be all right. You’re going to be hurt for a while and you’re going to be all right.” Was with that attitude. Then, of course, proceeding on with the things that you have to do in emergency hospital. And I was allowed in to stay right with him. Uh, the people there recognized that the sight of all

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the blood and everything wasn’t going to bother me. So, they knew that it would be just as well for me to stay by his bedside. uh Elaine arrived and so on and she was better than she’s ever been when it comes to one of her baby boys being hurt as well as a lot of blood and things like that. Uh know that Elaine cut her finger one time rather deeply and she fainted from it. She went right down on the floor. Uh this time she didn’t faint. Uh she got a little squeamish one time when she was out of

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the room uh just thinking about it, but she was excellent. I mean she was better than average. So consoling the three of us, we’re at the emergency and so on. Well, then I proceed to explain to Elaine, which is a good example because I want to share this with people that everybody can do this and everybody should be doing this. Couple of suggestions are here. You have a lot of injuries. You have lacerations, you have broken bones, you have somebody who is feeling ill, somebody that is not at ease, they’re in a state of disease.

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So how do you make them more at ease to get rid of the disease or the injuries? Uh again, I like the word attitude because generally never mind what you do with your hands. It’s what do you do with your attitude? And if you have a loving, selfless attitude, it doesn’t much matter what you do with your hands. Some people go like this. Some people have to hug and touch. That is not so important to the individual is the proper attitude. Well, with a loving attitude, with a selfless attitude, first look at

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the person. And if you’re not the type of person who looks straight into people’s eyes, you know, just direct eye or when you’re talking with somebody, if you do what I do on purpose sometimes of purposely looking away or if I’m about to say something that’s emotional, I’ll look away and callous myself. When it comes to somebody that’s in a devastated state or or that you wish to give energy to, well, one of the ways in which you transform that energy so that they can recognize it, even if

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it be subconscious, is to love them with your eyes. Because as they look up and see the intensity on your face or see the amount of love, they can often see it in your eyes and they can’t see it in your hands. You might pat them gently. and that feels good. But they’ll be able to see the intensity of that in your eyes. Think of those things as you start to do it. As you’re approaching, as you’re walking down a hospital hallway, think of the things that I’m saying now and prepare yourself for. Never mind

00:38:07 – 00:39:07
that they owe you $5 or that they did a bad thing to you or you don’t really like this person’s looks or the way they smell or the things that we measure. I mean, just get those thoughts in your mind and then make sure that you don’t concentrate on them. Just drop them. You’re you’re about to love somebody about to love somebody unconditionally and without pity. You would say you didn’t allow anyone to go home, right? Culturally, we do this culturally. I mean, come on. If you’re

00:38:38 – 00:39:43
lying there in the bed, what do you want to hear somebody from the room? You might actually wish for some sympathy, but what’s really best I mean, walk right in and here’s the things you want to bring with you. Of course, love, needless to say, but bring humor. I mean, bring humor to that person in the first 12 hours, assuming they’re conscious. And even if they’re not conscious, I mean, talk to them. Talk to them as though they are conscious. Talk to them as though they can hear you.

00:39:10 – 00:40:17
Because not only should they be able to hear you, they can probably hear you more intensively than when they’re awake and hearing you with just their ears because comeomaos people, unconscious people certainly do hear and often times they hear extraordinarily well. So be aware of that too. Go in there with a loving attitude and even if you have to stoop to the silly dry humor joke, use it. Even if it’s not necessarily a funny joke, but it’s a joke. Don’t joke at them. Be cautious about joking about

00:39:43 – 00:40:43
something that could conceivably offend them. It’s an ethnic joke or things of that nature that might possibly offend them. Eliminate all those things that could offend the person. But smile. Uh tell them of your concern. Gee, I’m sorry that you’re hurt. I’m sorry, you know, I’m sorry for this. Uh if there’s something I can do and let’s get over the social anemnities. Is that how you say that? Amenities. I don’t know. I don’t speak English. Um, get over those things, but

00:40:12 – 00:41:14
then love bomb them with humor. Uh, touch the person. If the person is all bandaged up, put your hand on top of the bandage somewhere or near them. I’m not saying look for the wound and put your hand there. I’m saying if uh, in other words, if the one arm is okay and it’s near the side of the bed, get close enough and put your hand on there for just a minute or so. be like a third generation Italian American. You’ve got to tell them something, reach out and touch them as you’re talking.

00:40:43 – 00:41:39
Even if you have to role play and you’re not used to doing this and you have to do it even if you have to say, you know, would you mind if I just touch your hand? In other words, if you’re not, if it’s your brother or sister and you’ve never been at all demonstrative with them, like touching, then say, “Would you mind if I just touch your finger or touch your hand or your forehead or something that’s suitable and do it for the first time and hopefully that’ll become

00:41:11 – 00:42:16
automatic?” Um, touch the person with a positive attitude. Love that person. Bring humor into their life. If you have to hand them a joke book that they’ll be reading in the next day or so, give them a joke book. Tim got home from the hospital and I cautioned Elaine or I told Elaine very specifically with great detail which I won’t share because some of that is personal private regarding Elaine’s character and Tim’s character and you know dealing with the two of them. But I said do not talk about this

00:41:45 – 00:42:45
this this and this and this. In other words, the things that you’ve been bothered with lately, the things that are Tim’s personal characteristics that are lacking, in other words, his inadequacies. Um, don’t talk about money. Don’t talk about the price of the hospital bill. Don’t talk about eliminate those things. They’re not necessary and they’re not entertaining. You want to entertain that person in the most positive nature. Love bound them. Surround them with humor. I

00:42:15 – 00:43:24
told Elaine, I said, “I don’t care the cost. You go and you bring every videotape of every comedy movie. I don’t care if it’s R-rated or Walt Disney or whatever.” And you have them on. If he asks for a movie, you go and get the movie that he wishes for, but then you also get a second movie that is comedy. I don’t care if it’s Three Stooges Stooges. Um, know some people are offended by slapstick comedy. Doesn’t matter if you if it’s comedy, it’s okay. As opposed to adventure movies, as

00:42:49 – 00:43:59
opposed to um war type movies, things of that nature. Uh joke books, tell jokes, smile. If you’re in in a bad condition, come in, smile, and say, you know, I just want to stop in, give you a smile, and love you, and then leave. In other words, if you’re hurting, if you’re emotionally stressed, don’t stick around because those vibrations are going to be shared whether you want to or not, and come back when you’re feeling better. Uh, I told Elaine, I want you to touch Timmy more than you normally do.

00:43:25 – 00:44:39
Imagine telling a third generation Italian American to touch more than they normally do. Um, so she’s good at that, but I I said, do do these things more. Um, gee, you know, you were involved in that in a way because, you know, we were all lovebombing Tim. What am I leaving out? I think what I’m trying to really emphasize is the humor aspect of it. Don’t make a joke of the injuries, but make a joke in spite of the injuries. Um, and some people are very careful. Well, this is humor and this isn’t.

00:44:03 – 00:45:09
Well, never mind. what you think is humorous. It’s generally considered humorous and funny and upbeat. I mean, if you could see in fact um Raymond Moody wrote a book that he doesn’t claim anymore and it was really a good book. I think the timing was off on it why it didn’t really sell very well. So, it’s out of print now. But, of course, it was his third book that he wrote and the title was Laugh After Laugh. And then the subtitle was the power of humor and healing. And he Raymond Moody being the

00:44:36 – 00:45:49
fundamentalist that he is and the scientist and medical technician that he is. He scientifically dealt with the Norman cousin uh scenario where he laughed himself out of cancer. Um and then he dealt with it uh a study that he actually did. In other words, it’s measuring the amount in the different uh rates of healing of children’s hospitals that allow clowns to come in and the ones that weren’t able to or didn’t. And I mean, it’s lopsided. I mean, it’s just there’s no question at all that uh to

00:45:12 – 00:46:30
have humor to have a patient surrounded by humor is better than drugs. not as a absolute substitute for drugs although I would say 80 90% a substitute for many many drugs um I would not uh say if you need penicellin no you take the penicellin and then laugh about it right and it’ll accelerate the healing uh with Tim he went to the um a few weeks later I don’t recall the time I think it was supposed to be just five weeks at any rate the um dermat. Not the dermatologist. What’s the skin

00:45:50 – 00:47:18
specialist? Surgeon. Well, anyway, the the surgeon, you have that picture. Yeah. Somewhere. I don’t know if this focus on this. This was a couple of days. As a matter of fact, this might have been four or five days into the uh this is just Tim’s face. Now, his concussion, his head moved, his head moved in the first 48 hours five times very dramatically. I mean, like two inches. Not just from the lump on his head in one side, but I mean kind of like parachaped and then the opposite of parachaped and of course that was the

00:46:52 – 00:47:56
emergency uh that he would have some kind of a brain trauma from that. Turns out that he did not. He survived that quite well. Uh and then as far as the healing of his face and so on, well, we were cautioned that he certainly would need surgery, plastic surgery, and that to the caution was don’t worry about it for 6 months. In other words, if it just be dermabraasion uh to get rid of the bumps and so on that would be left over from the extreme u lacerations and the fact that the skin was exposed to the

00:47:25 – 00:48:22
nose, deadened, exposed to the air and so on before it was able to be sutured. Don’t worry about that for many months. Uh it’s also important, I think the fifth day, I’m sure no longer than the seventh or eighth day. I’ve lost track the exact number of days uh to come uh into the office and get the sutures removed so that you won’t have additional scarring from the the stretch marks of the suture. Well, we waited right on time and we had an appointment. We went in there and the surgeon came

00:47:53 – 00:48:57
out and saw Tim in the hallway and he shrieked and then he got very angry and he started yelling at not really at me or at Tim but he was yelling that there was a mistake made that Tim was supposed to come in at that exact time to get those sutures removed and then I had to tell him well this is the right time and what he was thinking and he told me and he said my god he said he’s just all healed and he said we really expected to get these out long before this. And then he looked at the records and he says,

00:48:25 – 00:49:18
“Well, wait a minute. This is only and if it was 5 days, let’s assume it was 5 days.” He said, “Oh, well, this is only 5 days.” And I started laughing and I said, “Well, Tim’s 15 years old. He’s young.” And and he the doctor’s glaring at me and he did ask me a few questions afterwards and uh I just answered him casually. I didn’t, you know, certainly didn’t brag that, oh, well, in our household this or that or anything like that. I just said, “Well, you know, if

00:48:52 – 00:50:00
you have a good attitude and you’re surrounded by humor like we did with Tim, you can pretty well count on accelerated healing.” And uh he’s smiled and laughed. Um I’ve seen him one other time since then, and we’ve gone off on a tangent, talked about various things that a family can do to accelerate the healing. Well, make this long story short, regarding Tim, within just a couple of weeks, there is one spot right on his cheek that you will not notice anymore. In other words, um it’s not

00:49:25 – 00:50:14
even the equivalent of a small zip for a pimple. And Tim uh looks for it. In other words, he’ll look in the mirror and he knows it’s there and he wants to keep it. He doesn’t, you know, because Elaine, of course, being the loving mother, she says, “Well, it doesn’t matter. You should have that removed if it require abrasion or whatever. And Tim says, “No, I I actually like it.” He says, “It’s kind of cool. It’s kind of not this and that, but it is not

00:49:49 – 00:51:26
noticeable at all.” And no, that was not a miracle. Uh, it was accelerated healing. It was I mean, he’s 15year-old healthy boy. All those things mixed in the mixing bowl, it the healing time was probably one half of what the doctors anticipated and expected. about half and that was almost totally more than 85% of that accelerated healing was by Elaine and the family. Uh Tim did receive I have to be honest and say Tim did receive um I don’t know the right phrase for it but uh two individuals two individuals

00:50:39 – 00:51:53
um talked to Tim and asked him of his receptivity toward hands-on healing type thing and u that was also done but I want to emphasize that let’s be fair and say given an additional 5% additional accelerated healing or 5% of the time maybe but not any more than that. Now there I’m not saying that there was a miraculous hands-on healing by either one of those two individuals that I’m referring to. I want to emphasize that 85% of all that was just the love bombing, the humor and so on.

00:51:16 – 00:52:25
And even if a person is in a bad mood, to subliminally have a videotape of humor in the background, even though they’re not listening to it, uh that works. Uh their favorite music, uh to have it low level in a tape recording in the background, better quality. I mean, I prefer good quality. And if you can have a better stereo system and even have it in the in the room and they be watching television concentrating on that to have their favorite type music and more toward a soothing healing type music as opposed

00:51:52 – 00:53:07
to hard rock. With all due respect to rock and roll, if they’re in the process of healing tissue, they don’t need that strong vibrational sensationalistic uh excited uh response that rock and roll music does to somebody who enjoys rock and roll music. It’s an entirely different set of vibrations. It’s uh excited. It’s hard. Even the word hard rock, it’s hard. And for tiny little cells and tissues to be healed together. They don’t need that brash harshness. I’m not saying absolute

00:52:30 – 00:53:47
violin music unless they’re receptive to that. But um you you know that’s for the individual decide their favorite type of person. You talked a little about this incident having a little precognition of it. Are there any other situations? I could name a few, but I’m not sure which ones you want to cover today. Well, the one that you’re thinking of, the one that you’re thinking of was Todd’s uh broken leg, and that was very severe. I required surgery, broke both the tibia

00:53:08 – 00:54:12
and fibia, and injured the growth plate. Now, I’m trying to remember how old he was at the time. It would have been Yes, it would have been 12 years old. you help me with my memory because know there’s a like the details that now don’t matter to me uh could be very important that would have been two years after your yeah boy that was now you were on the job at the time just in that time frame I’ll just wait make one statement in that time frame because that would be 1980 and those are

00:53:42 – 00:55:01
what I call in hindsight the psychic years because I was bombarded by psychic even bothered by I think about half of the events and the situations. In other words, my psychic receptivity uh initially and then the psychic events that took place from 1980 to 1984. Um well, you know, I’d like to smile and say they were out of hand or I was out of hand. nothing really tragic or bad happened, but the numbers, the amounts, the intensities were um not something that I would wish on anybody. Uh and I

00:54:21 – 00:55:31
and I refer to that like backwards in time as the the psychic years, even though um I think my ability to assimilate uh and handle the same psychic receptivity or similar enough psychic receptivity on my part, I’m able to deal with that now. and the psychic dril, the psychic trash, the numbers of events, the the selfish or sensational desire for me to know that that’s a DC9 flying overhead right now. Um, all right, that can be limited. It can be handled properly and that that’s okay to

00:54:56 – 00:56:19
know that um and things like that, but keep it in perspective. Right? So therefore, I was very very psychic at this time. However, regarding the Todd incident where he broke his leg so bad and injured the growth plate, uh, that was precognitive during my near-death experience. So, and just what, a year or so ago, Elaine found this out, found the details of this out for the first time that uh, I had, you know, graphically in in great detail, pre-cognitively known and shared with Dr. Kenneth Ring and and He wanted to

00:55:38 – 00:56:45
put that in the book and I said no because the book will come out before this happens. I was afraid of that. So, uh, I knew about it ahead of time and I didn’t know the day because I didn’t have the number day written down. Fact, I didn’t have anything of that written down um that was publicized or that I would have around the house. Well, anyway, that day rolled around and I was running a front end loader, a payloader type front end loader and just noisy and doing my job and so on and I was

00:56:11 – 00:57:16
probably always the crow flies maybe two and a half, three miles from Todd’s school because some people asked me, you know, where were you geographically in relationship to to Todd? Some person thought that I might have been within hearing range of Todd. Well, it certainly wasn’t within hearing range, but what I experienced very bluntly was instantly, it’s funny to say this this way, but as the event took place, in other words, the breaking of the leg where he was on a a u soccer field and

00:56:43 – 00:57:52
met the goalie and in a twisting motion, um the leg was broken. So, at the same time I was experiencing that clairvoyantly, I’ll use that phrase because it’s correct. clairvoyantly. It was just as though there were two stereo speakers, one on each of my shoulders, and it was Todd just saying, “Oh, Dad, I wish you were here.” Which, you know, I’m a proud Todd. Um, I mean, that was nice and that boosted my ego and so on, all that. And when Todd was in emergency or dangerous situation, it would have been typical of

00:57:18 – 00:58:18
him for to wish me there as opposed to Ela. In other words, if it was something technical to be done, well, ask dad to do it as opposed to mom. If you need just a hug, well, then ask mom to hug and then talk about it later on with dad. So, at any rate, he did say that as he fell to the ground. Well, that was, like I say, just so it was yell right into my ears. So, I just slammed the bucket of the loader down, uh, leaped off the top of the loader and went to my foreman’s pickup truck and grabbed him

00:57:49 – 00:58:48
by the shoulder and pulled him out of his truck and I stole his truck. And I said, um, I said, “Chad, take the load.” You know, I yelled this as I’m driving away and he’s like, “What the world’s going on?” And I said, “Uh, there’s a family emergency. Take the loader back to the highway.” and I took off and I did go to the highway department, jump in my personal car and race to the hospital. Now, intuitively, I knew and it was a different hospital in um

00:58:18 – 00:59:24
Rochester General Noraid. I went there and Todd wasn’t there. Now, I did have a few moments of an oh my god situation. I’ve sensationalized this and this is not correct. Well, I knew that Todd was hurt, but I thought I’ve gone to the wrong hospital or something like that. And I was at dealing with, but I know this is true, but here I am, and the reality is that there’s nobody here. So, I went to the the nurse and explained, uh, you know, do you have did somebody come in unconscious? Is there a a

00:58:51 – 00:59:46
12-year-old boy? Uh, Todd Sawyer. I was asked all the questions. She said, “No, I’m sorry.” And I said, “Uh, well, are you in uh” And then I hesitated. And I said, “Is the emergency green light right now?” Because the ambulances have the system where they uh will go to a different hospital if they’re not so booked up. And uh so she smiled and she cuz I didn’t say the right phrase, but she knew what I was talking about. And she says, “Yes, we’re not really that

00:59:19 – 01:00:10
busy. Do you believe that?” So I said, “Well, I must have made a mistake.” So I went to the telephone and I looked up and called Todd’s school. Well, as I called Todd’s school, um the conversation went like, “Oh, Mr. Sory, we’re so glad you called. We’ve been trying to get in touch with you. We want to tell you that your son is hurt and that he’s on his way to the hospital. They’re taking him in the ambulance and uh you know, it’s not life-threatening,

00:59:44 – 01:00:32
but he is hurt very severely and uh we wanted to get in touch with you.” And I said, “Well, that’s why I’m calling.” I said, “Do you know where they took him?” And say, “Yes, they took him to North Side Hospital.” I said, “Well, there’s there must be some mistake because I’m here now and he isn’t here.” And she said, “Well, I don’t really know. Let me double check.” And she asked somebody else in the background. She said, “Yes,

01:00:09 – 01:01:16
they’re taking him to North Side Hospital.” I said, “Okay, well, he just isn’t here yet.” So, I hung the phone up and turned walked around and nervously anticipating. And then the ambulance showed up and of course I met the ambulance at the hospital. And that was very important for Todd to have that eye contact. Uh I think actually more important, how dare we judge one against the other, but it was more important for Todd to see me there. In fact, in that time frame, I was there as he reached the hospital

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because Todd had requested me. Now that’s emotionally and shall I dare say spiritually he had he had requested me. There’s a little difference between oh I wish my parents were here and then wishing that some one single individual was there. Um that’s another story. So it was very important for me to make that eye contact and um you know to touch Todd and help him out and so on. So that was that story. Todd was okay and turns out that uh the doctor said that he would need surgery that he would

01:01:22 – 01:02:37
have a limp probably for the rest of his life which may or may not be corrected with therapy and even conceivably in the worst scenario corrective shoes. Uh but that obviously the growth plate was injured. Turns out that the surgery went very well and as soon as he opened the ankle part, uh the ligament that was involved and so on, everything snap back in place. Um and Todd healed very rapidly. Uh a little accelerating healing, but that was 80% Todd as opposed to things that I could have done to

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assist her help. And that was the end of that story except the part that Elaine didn’t know that I was aware of it ahead of time. And I mean there’s things that you should tell and things that you shouldn’t tell. And I knew that Elaine would not understand at all. In fact, even become curious at me. So it did go for these many years. And just I think about a year ago, Elaine found out that I think I think it was at the Gen Seal conference about two years ago and it was a full year ago, two

01:02:36 – 01:03:47
seasons ago and uh she was a little shocked, but Elaine has really learned a lot and she’s not she’s almost shockproof now. But she did react and she had the typical reaction that would be the average person saying, “Now wait a minute, wait a minute. If you know about something in the future, why don’t you do something about it?” And that’s a whole long story that you can’t just tell quickly because that’s not correct. Sometimes there’s an aspect of a precognition that you can become

01:03:12 – 01:04:20
involved and do something and other times it’s just for no reason at all I or you have to know about it right as I’ve been given by given because I don’t think that I am doing this on my own I don’t seek out precognitions but they’ll happen and then there’ll be an aspect that also tells me or shows me that well here’s something else that will be history and I have to know the history ahead of time for a reason or no reason at all shrug the shoulders that’s difficult at

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times you know when it comes to tragedies especially see the judgmental aspect doesn’t exist in spirituality most often uh to say oh a plane crash is terrible and to precognize a scientific breakthrough is glorious and nice isn’t it nice to know that uh the linear accelerator or the you know super conductive super glider will do this or that or that. That’s nice to know ahead of time as opposed to like the L1011 plane crash in in Texas was devastating to me and to anybody naturally.

01:04:23 – 01:05:36
We plan to go into that today but that might be there’s a movie being aired tonight on TV. Excuse me. Yes. Welcome back. Okay. Did you stretch? You have a good time? We did. A little bit of drink, little bit of food. Yeah. Welcome back. Now, uh there’s a movie being aired tonight about uh the plane crash of the L101, Texas. Yeah, I you know, I’m I’m as sure as I can be that it will include that at least because I don’t know what the program is about. I’m hoping just for my

01:04:59 – 01:06:14
selfish self, I’m hoping that it’ll be similar to a documentary on the airplane and the crash itself, but there’s a possibility that it will be a movie uh an adventure. I can’t imagine romantic but in other words a person type movie and the characters involved meaning uh how it affected or changed the lives of some of the people or how people acted and reacted before and after the event. So I don’t really know the context of the movie but as a matter of fact that um they depicted the the same plane which

01:05:37 – 01:06:58
is my favorite airplane um commercial airliner and in fact it was a Delta Al 1011 which uh flight 1071 will be flying from Atlanta Atlanta to West Palm Beach Florida I believe this Friday and You know, it’s funny because of my my attitude toward death and that the constant flow of humor which is really not only therapeutic for me but almost a necessity um and my general attitude and a lot of the jokes that are going around as well as the serious side that you know I would really if I had my brothers if I

01:06:18 – 01:07:35
had my preference I would prefer to not be alive. I would prefer to be dead and be in that light or you know focusing and functioning from that point instead of from this point was my personal preference. So the the terribly dry dry humor aspect of because I’m not able to make this trip to Florida. God forbid for everybody else if anything happens to flight 1071 I am going to be so angry that I was not on it and that’s like you know I’m playing with predestination and then gee I hurt my

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back I wasn’t able to go on the flight and then have something happen which would be a tragedy to everybody else in the world except me because I’m looking for a legal excuse to be dead you know I also am still waiting to have that confrontation finalization of the conversation with my surgeon because he will ask questions regarding uh the surgery and what he doesn’t know is I have a few questions for him few statements uh including the very honest and realistic uh if anything happens I mean you know a

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mistake the ceiling falls in something like that and um to use no additional no excessive means at all to maintain life right was that straightforward business thing. But then he’s also going to ask me a question about my attitude. I mean, I guess they all do that now. I know that he will because a couple of other patients have already mentioned to me. So, I’m just waiting for I don’t know how I’m going to answer. I’ll be honest, but I know I don’t know his reaction when he said, you know, you

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certainly are looking forward to the surgery for the purposes of getting on with your life and being healed. And uh you know he’s going to say well you know what is your attitude toward death? He say yes when do you know that movie it’s the fire and fire and rain. Yeah. But right and yes fire and rain and um it’s a two-hour movie also. So I think it’s a a separate movie. But anyway that that brought the subject up of the 11 and that event I’m sure that it focuses on and around the uh Texas air crash.

01:08:45 – 01:10:04
Tell us how that whole thing impacted your life as a precognitive. Yeah, that that was I think that was was one of the top three precognitions that I’ve experienced that well inadvertently were sensationalized, over advertised, uh overused. uh I have to chastise myself and say that I my participation in it I became on my own through you know just demand and desire and compassion and all the different things way overly overly attached to it meaning that if you have a precognition you may have to act and

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react a certain way but if there’s no additional information as to what you should or can do then leave it alone and actually it would be much better to let it go and forget about it than to hang on to it and wait for that day and or tell somebody kind of semi-secly like we often do the person that is your friend and your ear that you can share things with that you know confident confidentiality will be maintained things like that right that’s all okay but then let it go and what regarding

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this initial precognition and then the events that led up to the event and even in hindsight I’ve been very incorrect by overly attaching myself to it, sensationalizing the aspects of it as well as just the initial impact that it had on me. Um, curious enough, uh, I participated very often in what I call roundt discussions, which, you know, you don’t need a round table, you don’t need more than one person. Sometimes you only need a tape recorder to just go off on a dialogue and and discuss uh uh anything. All right. But

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at the University of Connecticut, I would also often be invited for three-day weekends and talk all that time. And sometimes I they’d have questions waiting for me. Other times, let me put it this way. One time a person a physicist was concerned of my lack of education and that I didn’t know the math because he had some very technical questions to ask of me regarding uh quantum physics and he was asking Dr. Kenneth Ring, well, you know, how am I going to explain this to Tom to be able to ask the question if he

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doesn’t know the math? And Ken Ring just laughed and said, well, you just say anything you want to say. Get Tom on a roll and don’t worry about it. It’ll happen. Well, he said that jokingly in the song, but it also, especially in that time frame, again around 1984, um, was that very often if you or anybody had a subject, you just say the first two or three words of the sentence or the sentence and then I would just start collaboring or talking on the subject and it often got very intensive

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or very technical. Again, that’s not my fault because if I was receptive psychically or spiritually to, you know, the bonafide information regarding a subject that isn’t even known yet, uh, like the first time they came up with the word chaos for the new science or, uh, a medication, I I gave somebody information about a medication which would be the only relief for them, but it wouldn’t it was not to have been discovered for a couple of years yet, which was sad for me and that was the

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only answer and it did in fact turn out to be the only answer. I I gave some more information as to what this young lady could do to alleviate some of the pain and suffering that she was going through but as far as having a a topographical cream or a medication, it required this that wasn’t developed yet. And um and then then as time went on I questioned if they would call it the same thing I did because I’d never it was a goofy word kind of like a Greek word. And then eventually in the

01:12:45 – 01:14:00
newspaper I somebody sent me a clipping that was spelled correctly and that they’d use that. So I was curious. Well, how far did they Well, this was strange in the way that it was more than a year ahead. A strange for me. In other words, if you take the the many dozens of precognitions that I’ve had, um 30 days ahead would be typical. I don’t mean to say normal. You have to be careful saying normal regarding this. Usual would be typical. um uh short periods of time like the next day or and again as opposed to

01:13:23 – 01:14:42
precog precognitively clairvoyantly is the same thing only meaning like gee do you know what’s going on right now in Italy uh the the current volcano was subsiding right now right that type of thing uh but this was precognitively and and often I have a very difficult time with time meaning I don’t think in terms of August 17th or num number days or the month or the day of the week. Um, in other words, I’ll know what season it is like the four seasons. And often times you’ll hear me say, let’s

01:14:02 – 01:15:17
see, that was several years ago and it was cold out, which means snow on the ground or cold out. Therefore, it wasn’t the middle of the summer. Although we have to watch our weather. Um, yeah, it did snow uh yesterday and today in Colorado uh eight or more inches. So, you know, plenty of looking. Well, at any rate, this was more than a year ahead and it was in October of um of one year. Bear with me. Let’s see. This would be either the the October of 83. See, I guess that would have to be so October of

01:14:38 – 01:15:56
83. Possibly October of 84. When did they actually Well, now see, my terrible memory says it would be Well, it was certainly in July. August, July. See, there I just can’t associate with the the number days. What was the year? I I would say that it would have to be August 2nd the event took place. I’m guessing that, so don’t quote me on that, but within a week or so of that. Um, and in fact, let me tell it a little backwards because this will tie it in. For instance, I talked about it many,

01:15:18 – 01:16:23
many times, not on purpose really. Somebody would ask me a question about either airplanes or precognitions or something that the scenario of the Texas air crash would be a perfect analogy. So, I would give an I say, well, let me give you an analogy. For instance, if there was going to be a plane crash and then what the people didn’t know was I was giving the details of that which has not taken place yet, which was an actual precognition. Other words, I didn’t say, well, there’s a precognition going on

01:15:50 – 01:16:55
right now. Didn’t say that. But then eventually one man who had been to several of my talks and had taken notes, he confronted me and he said,”Tim, you know, I so appreciate getting a chance to talk with you like this.” He said, “I want to tell you that I’ve been to several of your talks in a row and whenever a question comes up like um plane crashes or another,” he listed a bunch of things and he said, “You give an analogy.” and he said, “I want to call you on it

01:16:23 – 01:17:26
because you’re not making this up.” He says, “First of all, I think you’re talking about a real event that hasn’t happened yet.” Well, I got very emotional cuz, you know, I didn’t intend that. So, you know, I said, “Well, yeah, I guess that’s right.” And he said, “Well, regarding that,” he said, “Do you have any idea the details that you have said?” And he said, And then of course he flipped a couple pages of his notebook and he just said well the plane

01:16:55 – 01:18:06
is uh I’m not sure if I you know he didn’t know airplanes so he says an L1011 but he says and you’ve also said a Lockheed Tristar. So and I smiled at his ignorance and I said yeah I said it’s the safest plane in the air and I said it’s a Lockheed L1011 Tristar and um so a few more comments and so on. They said well here’s my problem. He says, “If you can know the first names of the people on board, and you can know serial numbers of parts of the plane, if you can know that it’s 103 degrees in air

01:17:30 – 01:18:44
temperature outside the plane, and if you can know such detail, you mean to tell me you can’t do any better job than to say that it will happen in the warm weather of now I have to stop and think.” Um, uh, I’ll guess at 1985. I think it was 1985. I’m guessing that’s August 2nd of 1985. Uh so anyway, he said, you know, he said, um you didn’t tell me you can’t do a better job at at saying that it’ll be in the warm weather uh of 1985 and that and when this conversation took place,

01:18:06 – 01:19:10
this conversation took place in July of 1985. And it was also, I’m quite sure, the second week or the third week in July of 1985. It was toward the end of July of 1985. So he said, “I just, you know, I’m asking you straight forward. Can you give me a better date?” And then I’m, you know, I was disgusted at myself that I couldn’t write down the airport. I mean, the exact airport, I knew what it looked like and I traveled around to different airports to see. In other words, if I had gone to that airport, I

01:18:39 – 01:19:41
would have instantly known, oh my god, this is the airport because everything would be there. Uh, you know, maybe except a plane. And um so that was that would be for sure. Then also um you know to deal with the time course that would be ridiculous how how am I going to learn that? So I said all right well let me just try because I always want to answer anything and everything. So I was quiet for probably a full minute or more and I was really like thinking and I was just trying to think. Well come on or I get

01:19:10 – 01:20:37
through the seasons. Okay it’s hot weather out now. What about time frame? And then what I did was I zeroed in on well if this is now if this is toward the end of July, you know when will it take place by? So I made the statement and I and I’m trying to quote myself made the statement that as best I could formulate it and I said well all right let me put it this way that plane will crash sometime between the 1st of July and it will have had taken place by my birthday which is the 1st of

01:19:54 – 01:20:53
September. But then, and now see that was ambiguous. Again, I’m trying to think and I’m deciding it will be like. When I say the word like, that’s not a fact. But when I go like this with my hand, it’s a gesture. When I go like this and I say, it will happen exactly halfway between that. Well, that’s fact. I mean, you have to kind of know me to see the difference. Something that I’m not sure of. And I’ll often emphasize, overemphasize that I’m not sure of it. But then if I straightforward look at

01:20:23 – 01:21:24
you and say it will be like this. See I said the word it will be this and that’s like emphasizing it in fact. So I said it will be halfway between that time. Never realizing that halfway between that time would be just a couple of days from when this man is asking me this question. Well they were polite enough to have no reaction. In other words, they didn’t say, you know, they didn’t call me and say, “Well, Tom, you’re being ridiculous because halfway between that time is right now, or you only have

01:20:54 – 01:22:04
four more days before the halfway between that time is.” In other words, I was sitting there not realizing that it was already into July, which is typical of me. So, anyway, that took place and um and of course, needless to say, it happened on the day. Now the day it happened, I got up and went to work and when it was the morning just before the crash, that was that date. Uh I opened the door to my house and when I opened the door, the newspaper flopped down flat. Now understand this is the morning

01:21:29 – 01:22:34
the plane crash had not taken place yet. But when that newspaper flopped down, I mean that if it’d be a catalyst or not, but all of a sudden I looked down and it was though I was looking at the next day’s newspaper. In other words, it was as though I mean I wasn’t like seeing that title, the headlines, but it was as though I was looking at the headlines. That was I was realizing the headlines and then it was just, oh gee, this is the day. So in other words, it was a end time realization that this is the day

01:22:02 – 01:23:16
and it will happen in an hour or so, a couple of hours. Well, I promised uh somebody once that I would never allow any of the psychic stuff to interrupt my normal daily routine, which meant, you know, I’m going to be in control enough and so on and so on that I’m not going to leave work. I’m not going to jeopardize the normaly of the household and I really have to compliment myself that I’ve done a very good job controlling that and this also was the first time that it it did interrupt my

01:22:38 – 01:23:53
normal daily routine and um and when the time frame came about I just couldn’t tolerate it because I just knew too much about it and I couldn’t make a phone call and I couldn’t do much of anything about it. But I had also already shared publicly with uh uh Dr. Kenneth Rain, Dr. Bruce Grayson and uh oh better than a dozen people at the University of Connecticut on a couple of occasions and then obviously I mean apparently and obviously using it the uh details of it as an analogy several or

01:23:19 – 01:24:38
many times at the talks at Maryanne’s uh hairdressing salon and a few other local places that I get a chance to talk. So it bothered me enough that I had to leave work and I I just made all the arrangements so that the job wasn’t in jeopardy and I came home and I came home and uh just prior to but when just prior to and you know there’s a few seconds before the timing of the the event and then during the event. The only time that I ever called Dr. Bruce Grayson on the phone with a problem. I mean, a serious problem. I

01:24:02 – 01:25:07
called him for informationational exchange, things like that. But I was just plain upset and I didn’t want to bother anybody, certainly nobody who would not understand. So, I knew that he would understand being a psychiatrist and uh a good friend. So, I called him and um I was already crying and I was so upset that I was crying and I said, you know, I had to sort of blurt out. I said, “Well, this is Tom.” I said, I I just wanted to call you. And then he said, I mean, really nice guy. He said,

01:24:33 – 01:25:35
“Well, Tom, I think I understand, I think I understand why you’re calling.” And he said, “Uh, has it happened yet?” And then, you know, he knew and I knew. So, I said, “Uh, well, I don’t know what time it is right now, but it’s happening right now.” So, then just in the capacity of that friend, Uh I just sat there on the phone and I was saying things like uh you know I was swearing and I was in a way swearing but I was actually saying the true meaning of the word god damn

01:25:07 – 01:26:19
it. I mean I wasn’t just saying a word that’s casual. I was actually wishing for God to damn the intensity of it, the emotional attachment of it, the the reality of it. And um so I just you know sort of complained a little bit to him on the phone and just said uh you know why do I have to know this? So I was kind of feeling sorry for myself. Right. So that’s told the story in reverse on the onset of this precognition. I believe it was October 12th. For some reason that date is ringing a bell because there were two

01:25:43 – 01:27:01
things that happened on October 12th of different years that were precognitive having to do with airplanes. U so in October of the year before I would say October of 84 uh at a round table discussion at the University of Connecticut at the Near-Death Hotel uh Ken Ring’s residence we’re uh staying up all night and um it was also 3:15 in the morning which is apparently my favorite time. and a lot of things seem to finalize or culminate right at 3:15 in the morning. And I was talking about the life and times of

01:26:24 – 01:27:36
Jesus Christ. And I was just rattling off on a roll just talking about him as though he was my next door neighbor, which I I did a couple of times. And I was on that role concentrating on that. Well, there were four women, uh, Ken Ring’s fiance and three other women just off to the right of me at the end of this very large table, uh, talking about, uh, a combination of a book and a film. And, um, that’s not true. I’ve got I’ve got this totally out of time. All right, because I’m thinking

01:27:04 – 01:28:11
that the film and the book was the L1011, right? which it was, but it wasn’t the same plane they were talking about. Uh, and I think the movie is called The Ghost of Flight 401, and the book probably by the same name. I haven’t seen the book, but I know it was in a a book form. Well, they were just chatting about it and I think they were really chatting about the aspect of ghostly apparitions. In other words, ghost stories, bonafide apparitions that uh uh a friendly ghost can actually appear to you and give you

01:27:37 – 01:28:46
information that will assist and help your situation or a situation. And they were talking about the aspects that some uh earthbound entities therefore ghosts are earthbound by their own desire or by their own demand that they cannot release their attachment toward either material things or mankind humanity and things like that. So that’s what their discussion was. I wasn’t listening to them. But then in a loud enough voice for me to hear, they said something like the last sentence in the book or the

01:28:12 – 01:29:26
last part of the movie. And they were they were glad to have the pilots. The pilot was the ghost. The ghostly apparition said there will was supposed to have said, you can look it up in the book if you find it. Uh there will never there will never be another crash of of an L101. Well, that had that kind of a reaction to me because, you know, this is in a way very childish because I’m attached to this airplane and I like L1011s and uh well anyway, so the woman said the sentence, there will never be

01:28:53 – 01:30:05
another crash of an L1011. And of course, I just turned my head and I said, “But that’s not true.” So, I shocked everybody. I interrupted their flow of their conversation. Uh now, Dr. Kenneth Ring realizes right away, wait a minute, Tom is saying something. So then I became very upset and distraught because as they said that lie or that mistake, see they weren’t lying, but they said a non-truth that bothers me. So I had to correct them. That was a demand of mine. Didn’t know anything about it before. So

01:29:29 – 01:30:48
in other words by that way either the power of suggestion or whatever or or in order for me to know that truth then like that I knew all these details of this of the next crash of an L1011 and that’s how it happened. I said to them a few details um about it and then I realized in other words consciously I realized what I was doing. In other words I’m talking about that hasn’t happened yet. That bothered me because remember I offended by all the psychic stuff. So I interrupted myself, went out on the balcony and and

01:30:09 – 01:31:00
collected myself emotionally and so on and came back and Ken Ring did his psychology voice on me and he said, you know, in a deep voice, “Well, Tom, apparently,” and I looked at him. I said, “Ken, knock off the psychology stuff. This is just me.” And he said, “Well,” he says, “bviously, something upset you. He says, “Is it something that you wish to discuss?” And then there was that tugging between, “I have some information and I want to share it.

01:30:35 – 01:31:42
I mean, I want to tell you everything about it, but I can’t. Maybe I shouldn’t.” See, only maybe the question mark. Maybe I shouldn’t. And this is just beyond me. This is too emotional for me because I’m talking about um see I I even purposely block out the number of people involved because um at one time I started I started naming the people and of course to do that I have to know each one of those people personally. I mean like intimately like they were a brother or sister. So that

01:31:14 – 01:32:34
was par naturally you could imagine in a way. Yes. But I think I said this to you the other day. If having been in the light you know that Hundreds of people are going to be instantaneously into the light. Why would that not bring out a feeling more of celebration than there’s there’s many again within me there’s many reasons why. Number one uh and probably most least amount is an actual feeling of jealousy. Now bear with me if I say this. Um, I’ll get that out of the way that there’s an actual feeling of

01:31:54 – 01:32:59
jealousy that I have to be here and I’m happy. I mean, I’m the happiest person you’ll ever meet. I’m happy, glad to be here. This is nice. This is all okay. And I appreciate the opportunity. All right. But I have an ongoing preference to die. I mean, to go back into that light and get on with things, get on with the next chapter of the real life. I mean I think that this is reality but there’s a greater reality that we’re anticipating. So there’s a little degree of jealousy that how do why do I see the

01:32:27 – 01:33:46
question why do I have to be here and observe people dying and moving on going through their transitional state which we call death um you know with a frown on our face and get on with things and I’m stuck here. So there’s a little degree of jealousy. More importantly, it’s just the compassion in me for anybody and everybody that there is the onset of that transitional state which is often uh gross and painful and miserable and chaotic. In other words, all the other life. Sure. Uh for each person that died on

01:33:07 – 01:34:16
that plane, there are at least five people that had to go through bereavement, had to go through uh the trauma of being told, the shock of the loss, all that stuff, which is understandable. And and I knew some of those people. In other words, as part of the precognition, I knew in other words, I would recognize the face of some of the relatives of those people. So, it had to do with the compassion that you know, gee, why the question, why does this have to take place? Also there was originally a realization

01:33:41 – 01:34:51
that this is going to be history and that there is nothing that I can do about it. Now the long version of the story which we can’t tell today is that uh part of my learning experiences was at one time I decided that I don’t care what I’ve been given or told or the rules and regulations of that which I know spiritually. I’m gonna go against that because I can’t stand this any longer and I want to do something about it. And uh that didn’t work. Uh and I had to go through that and learn that

01:34:16 – 01:35:26
too. And that was just personally for me that was another chapter of this the long version of the story. Um uh another aspect of why it is so difficult even now. I mean this is years later and it’s so not really traumatic but emotional for me was to just intimately and I mean really intimately know these individuals and lose them. See that’s selfish because it’s the aspect of bereavement that is selfish. In other words, how could he leave me? Why did he do this to me? My husband died on me. You know that God bless the

01:34:53 – 01:36:10
people that are experiencing that. But the reality is is that at that point in regarding that aspect, you or they and I was being selfish that I’ve lost another intimate friend. So there was that self loss that I was bereieving and even still breathe for now to a little degree, minor degree. Um most intensively it was to bear with me if I say experience to a degree. I I hope I can say this without concentrating on it too much. Experience the um uh well, I’ll use the word the victims of the plane crash that are

01:35:32 – 01:36:46
still alive. That that is very difficult for me. And bear with me if I’m looking away and everything because I you know I can say it and not attach myself to the extreme memory of that or the reality of that. For instance, uh here we are in I was going to say 88 uh 89 uh so uh we’re four years four years later and there are people who are still hospitalized uh um you know the horrendous amount of burn burning You know, let me put it this way. Say for instance a paramedic who was trained

01:36:18 – 01:37:30
for that and yet goes to a plane crash and the the numbers now they’ve dealt with identical injuries where the person is burned beyond recognition not even sure it’s a human being but then have the person say will you help me and realize that it’s a burned human being and then have that person live on right the paramedic can deal with that but to suddenly see 100 160 people like that. The numbers are overwhelming. The intensity is overwhelming. The the duration of time of suffering, pain and suffering, all

01:36:54 – 01:38:21
that is overwhelming. So all those aspects are overwhelming to me. It it goes way beyond my emotional threshold. And if you realize that, it’s understandable. Um there’s many other things. I’m uh a bias and prejudice person like all of us are. It was um I fell in love with a particular little girl on that plane and u and she didn’t burn to death. She died from a a trauma from her spinal column and um her neck and her back snapped. I don’t know if that’s ever been publicized. I don’t know if they

01:37:38 – 01:38:41
would have any way to find out. But to say be with her on that plane. See, you know, I can say it that way. You have a perception to be with her and watch her fly through the air and bounce off the ceiling and go to the forward part of the plane and then ricochet at an angle and hit the headrest of the uh fourth or fifth seat from the front of the plane or the right hand side. See, to know that I mean bear with me if I say I was on that plane. um that that’s not the truth but symbolically. So that makes it more

01:38:09 – 01:39:16
emotional and intensive and that’s why it upsets me so much and I have such an emotional attachment. It’s just some of the reasons there’s many many more details. um you know things that I said that that night. In other words, Ken Ring questioned me further and I said things like because a lot of the details were confusing then over the next year I brought out many many more details either just subconsciously I brought into a conscious level but that night I said uh things that I didn’t understand

01:38:42 – 01:39:49
about it as I was complaining actually first of all why do I have to know this that basic complaint why do I have to know it’s 103 degrees how come I can see a white building, but I can’t see it clear. I’m not saying I’m not actually questioning clairvoyance because that means see clear. I kind of laughed when I thought of that afterwards, but it was that I questioned why can’t I see this white building, which I said white building clearly and never realizing or put two and two together the fact that it was in

01:39:16 – 01:40:21
a thunderstorm also and the dark clouds and the amount of rain visually a camera or my eyes theoretical eyes wasn’t able to see that which was not even a white building which was a white tank a very large white tank. Um, and again I don’t like the the psychic games that a lot of people play like uh you will be you will soon you’ll be near plant life and the person lives in an apartment with no plants at all and they say they came back the next week say nothing regarding plant life say well did you walk down the street

01:39:48 – 01:41:00
walk by a tree ah there you go you know and to say for instance for me to say the word a white building I don’t like that because see that turns out it was not a building at dictionary definition of a building is not a tank. Yeah, I can justify it by saying in hindsight of the plane crash and that which I learned on the television news broadcast later on was oh of course I couldn’t see the white tank but so since it was straight and white and large it was a building I mean it isn’t a stone

01:40:24 – 01:41:25
you know see I can justify it but if somebody heard me that first night and then after the event takes place here I am like playing that psychic game where I’m justifying what I said fitting the serenity of the plane crash. Granted, it was lopsided because I given serial numbers, people’s first names, uh, so many details that couldn’t ever be faked or anything. I mean, 103 degrees is odd, things like that. But I was complaining about that which I didn’t know about it. And then I even pounded

01:40:54 – 01:42:05
the table and said, “Yeah, but you would think that the two most important things are when and where. And why do I have to know all these details?” and not know the basic when exactly when and where. So I dealt with that for over a year and um that was I really I really would wish maybe in a couple of weeks or so we could do a another long version of that story and only talk about that because I think if nothing else it would even be therapeutic for me to say finalize it. It’s not that I want it documented or I

01:41:31 – 01:42:40
want it advertised, but I mean I think that I would get something out of starting at the beginning and working my way all the way through it because there’s an awful lot of spirituality, an awful lot of psychology, an awful lot of psychic things that can be dealt with. Other people can use that as an analogy to explain to other people for teaching and learning. And then also for me to um to talk about something that isn’t clear, it clarifies it for myself. Often uh new and significant details about me can

01:42:04 – 01:43:32
come out. Not that I need to have you know that or anybody else, but for me to learn that for myself. In the last maybe 15 minutes of the tape, is there any area you’d like to cover and kind of sum up to do with the priesthood or the future. Yeah, there’s a couple things just regarding the priesthood because you know sometimes I view or realize the existence of the priesthood and and I’m very simplistic about it. In other words, sometimes I think of it as a very wonderful network but leave it as that.

01:42:50 – 01:44:05
Notice never mind the religious slashspiritual aspects of it at all. Just the fact that since there’s a priesthood and there are hundreds involved and they of course are all over the country all over the world I mean outside the country all over the world that represents to me shall I dare say selfishly is the way in which I have in the past dealt with the priesthood that that is a wonderful uh grape vine or networking system and having those type of people here you know I say those people as all you kind of people. It is

01:43:28 – 01:44:36
convenient and comfortable for me to talk about things that I can’t talk about to many people. Can I go to the Catholic priest and tell them some of the things about the life and times of Jesus Christ? No. And I shouldn’t. But I could say it to you. I could say it to, you know, almost anybody who would be watching this this tape. Uh all you weird people. Um you abnormal people. Thank God. But anyway, regarding that, uh, that’s one of the beautiful aspects of it that may even be, bear with me if I’m

01:44:02 – 01:45:19
being judgmental now, that may be may even become or come to pass to be the most important aspect of it. The fact that we are networking and reaching out and touching people as a form of a family or priesthood. I mean it the dictionary definition extended says this also that it be that and to have similar desires aspects and love gestures u uh prayer uh the reality of Christianity things of this nature are powerful and what good is any of it well it’s nice to have camaraderie but wait a minute wait a minute let me give you a

01:44:40 – 01:45:37
quick example I mean we have been successful I be not only successful, well, I say, “Wait a minute. What have I done?” Well, let me put it this way. If I had a precognition of a tragic nature, and of course, there was the longest duration one of over 10 years of the nuclear detonation of a malicious nature. And see, since it’s gone, I don’t even get emotional about it. Uh, where before, you know, I just try so hard to say that sentence and I couldn’t and couldn’t. And sometimes I would even

01:45:09 – 01:46:24
ask you to say it so we could get on with what I want to say about it. Um, a nuclear detonation of a malicious nature was to have had taken place in Lebanon in sir Lebanon uh s o r with a funny mark over it in the area of Ty Lebanon Ty re and the quasimara region of Lebanon right and that was known to me it was known to a few other people more than 11 years ago now other words it was one of the things that I came back from my near-death experience with and it was on a conscious conscious level by that third or fourth day after

01:45:45 – 01:47:03
my accident. And I worked with that ongoing. I worked with that uh with the military uh by way of the Pentagon directly and indirectly um psychically by other psychics uh by other spiritual people who spiritually preco uh precognitively knew something about it but not everything. The Ions organization, the International Association for Near-Death Studies, was used as a clearing house, so to speak, or a a focus point for near-death experiencers, other near-death experiencers to say anything they wanted

01:46:25 – 01:47:34
to say. And of course, it came to pass that u a group of near-death experiencers had a similar or the same they had the same precognition, but some of them only knew what it looked like. They only knew the time frame and again the time frame the time frame on that was now I’ve almost blocked it out of my mind but let me remember it would have been uh the the deadline as best I can recall would have been August 15th of oh of course see I’ve got that blocked out of my mind but then I have to smile

01:46:59 – 01:48:10
because one of the things that that I was written up in in the book heading toward Omega that’s not a plug uh heading toward Omega was I was questioned by Ken Ring saying well Tom we know you don’t know exactly when it’s going to happen but let me say for instance will it be 1991 and then see for him to say the wrong thing I would like get angry at him or not angry but this he made a mistake he’s telling a non-truth so in order to correct him it would be typical of me to say the correct thing but it

01:47:35 – 01:48:35
was curious the way it came out because uh I corrected him and said, “Oh, no, no, Ken. It has to be an Olympic year.” Well, that became very significant because of course I’m related in a way to Olympic years. That’s meaningful to me, the 68 Olympic trials. And I know every four years when the Olympic trials will happen again as I often for better than 10 years I live for the Olympic trials. Every four years, the three years in between was practice and training. uh the major races and so on

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were every four years for bicycle races. So it would be opo and typical of me to say that but uh Mark Evans who had nothing to do with sports didn’t even know about well he knew that there were a thing called the Olympic games and he knew that when the games are held it’s an Olympic year was not aware of the next Olympic year. Now there’s one question further but when he was questioned the same way I was in fact at the same time they had him on the telephone long distance and I was in Connecticut and it was kind of a

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trick in a way because they said they had a time frame they said okay ask the question now and Ken Ring asked that question of me while uh secretaries were asking the same question of Mark Evans long distance and he said oh no no it has to be an Olympic year now there’s several possibilities that I don’t want to go into now that he could have been clairvoyantly or telepathically uh in tune with me or or any of that combination, but that went in the records. Anyway, the records eventually

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showed uh a lot of detail. I can’t go into too much detail about the event that was to have taken place. I don’t wish to at this time. Um, but it included military activity and as that developed, in fact, uh, help me with the time frame because in the summer of all right, in July of 1988, gee, July, if things come out in July, um, in July of 1988, I went on the Phil Donahue show. Well, I was concerned because I knew that it was that year. I knew that it was very hot out because, you know, of course, in Lebanon, I don’t

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like the heat anyway. Um, that it was very hot out. I knew what it looked like. I knew that it had to be in an area like Right. Also, by that time, by July of 1988, um, Wow. I know several of us you were asking to permanently pray. Yeah. I had already gone to the priesthood. I know it was the grape vine, right? And um and gave the exact location. I had written down the location and reference point within the foot uh the number of feet. Uh, also an event took place just prior to that that was internationally significant which I

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made a map of and wrote down before the event which was carried which was shown to the military was handed over to the military. Um but anyway, the point I’m trying to bring out is I started questioning the spiritual flow of things which I should not have done. But I wasn’t getting the kind of information I would have been comfortable with and I would have I was prepared to do anything to prevent this event from taking place. I would have given my life. I would have physically gone there. In fact, I you

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were going Yeah. I uh I made on two occasions seriously I made plans to go there not knowing well what am I going to do there? Well if need be for instance if nothing else was ever done I would have gone there and like ran into that uh garage type warehouse and tried to you know do something talk or crash the machine apart or do something or create a stir of some kind. a diversion even if it be postponed would have been better than allowing that to take place. And what actually did happen, right? Uh

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well, let’s time because I want to also just quickly mention that how we changed the attitude of the one Muslim bomber in the priesthood. We fervently prayed and in that capacity of collective spiritual energy and then focusing it did not necessarily have to have me focusing on the exact location like by eyesight uh or any of that. That wasn’t a necessity. But with that enhancement, the collective energy that we the priesthood were able to focus on uh for example we’re able to love bomb

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this driver who was loaded with um was a suicide a suicide thing. Now religiously the Muslims do things like this and they think that they will get great merit and that they will die in glory and so on that they will go to Nirvana or heaven and uh be with Allah in the good graces of Allah to do this even if it be death and destruction and a suicide. So uh brainwashing, cultural conditioning, religious fervor, you choose your own category. So this was to be done and you have to understand the Muslim tradition that this was not just

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well I think I’ll do this. No, this was a demand. This was in glory. This was you you have to do everything possible to try to accomplish this. So he was in the process of driving to an American checkpoint to blow it up. and uh by his own description in his native language which was translated to I’m sure that it’s documented somewhere because uh somebody told me that it was on the news and I think I have a an article a newspaper article and it said that he was overcome by a good feeling and that uh he decided that he

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should not go through with this and he parked the truck, walked over, identified himself, said what he was going to do that he didn’t want want to do it, that the truck over there is very dangerous and that he wants to be protected now from his own people because having not accomplished this mission, he would be killed or murdered by his own Muslim people and that uh he was starting feeling a type of love that he couldn’t describe and so on. And he went on babbling about it for hours. Well, very bluntly and honestly, we and

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I, I mean we collectively, the the people, the lovers of the world, the spiritual beings, the people who fervently pray for peace, uh pray to the Christ light, let thy will be done, the people who have more information and pray for the people who are being misguided in the Middle East, the people who are so fanatically building nuclear de uh nuclear bombs to be detonated. Okay. Can we love the individual enough? You can’t telekinetically blow up the detonating device. You can’t telekinetically blow up the truck before

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it gets to its target, killing only one man as opposed to 35 men. Uh you can’t do that. There’s not quite enough power in our ability to telekinetically love in that way or focus. But there is the ability to love unconditionally and change the attitude of the individual involved. and in this case the driver of that truck uh in another case to give enough bonafide information and so on to the military so that they in fact can capture and collect the nuclear device which was done and it was prevented and

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I thought by then my job would be over and I would have a new a new ability to just be normal and my own self and of course that was um more than a year ago now and I’m still here and I’m smiling most We still have our work to do. Yes, we do. And u I’m just sorry that I can’t be with the people that are viewing this now so we could have questions and answers directly and get more information back. Well, thank you, Tom. This is going to be very helpful. A couple of weeks I’ll

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be better. And I’m really looking forward maybe in the spring, this next springtime especially because again today our focus was for the people in the uh Florida area. So I’ll make it a point to make a trip there as soon as possible.