Unsolved Mysteries Episode

Recorded: 1989
Duration: 45m 34s

Description:
This episode includes: Bank Tunnel, Life After Life Parts 1 & 2: Red Lake Heir and Repairman Death.

Presented By Radial Entertainment

Raw Transcript

00:00:03.950 this program is about unsolved mysteries
00:00:07.109 whenever possible the actual family
00:00:09.269 members and police officials have
00:00:10.830 participated in recreating the events
00:00:12.750 what you were about to see is not a news
00:00:14.849 broadcast in 1986 a bank vault in
00:00:22.560 Hollywood California was emptied by a
00:00:24.210 cunning group of burglars the bandits
00:00:26.490 tunneled hundreds of feet underground
00:00:27.750 and escaped with two million dollars the
00:00:30.150 police call it a crime of the century
00:00:32.630 in 1982 a 46 year old appliance
00:00:36.090 repairman was brutally murdered three
00:00:38.250 theories of surfaced was a seemingly
00:00:40.680 ordinary father of four killed by angry
00:00:42.750 drug runners or by vengeful crime bosses
00:00:45.480 against whom his brother was called to
00:00:47.100 testify or was it a crime of passion
00:00:49.489 committed by a jealous husband in 1982
00:00:54.059 seven year-old crystal merlok drowned in
00:00:56.430 a swimming pool accident crystal was
00:00:58.649 clinically dead but after 15 minutes
00:01:01.020 doctors brought her back to life crystal
00:01:05.159 is one of millions of Americans who’ve
00:01:06.689 undergone what psychologists call a
00:01:08.159 near-death experience an intriguing
00:01:10.530 mystifying phenomenon which they
00:01:12.270 describe a peaceful journey after death
00:01:14.070 and which old friends lead them towards
00:01:16.020 a white light proof of life after life
00:01:18.600 are simply a mass hallucination
00:01:21.170 [Music]
00:01:45.200 [Applause]
00:01:50.520 [Music]
00:02:04.120 [Music]
00:02:18.200 8 p.m. Friday June 6 1986 an alarm
00:02:22.640 sounded at the First Interstate Bank in
00:02:24.560 Hollywood California
00:02:25.879 a police patrol was dispatched to
00:02:29.480 investigate
00:02:30.940 [Music]
00:02:36.910 when they arrived they found no evidence
00:02:38.680 of a break-in
00:02:39.960 [Music]
00:02:51.340 hi Joe on Monday morning bank employees
00:02:55.690 arrived for work it is business as usual
00:03:00.490 a few minutes later when a bank officer
00:03:06.610 opened up the phone she made a shocking
00:03:08.950 discovery
00:03:11.460 incredibly someone had tunneled 30 yards
00:03:14.230 from under a nearby Street ending up
00:03:16.030 precisely underneath the vault
00:03:19.120 using hand tools a patiently sliced
00:03:21.610 through the 18 inch thick steel
00:03:23.140 reinforced concrete floor once inside
00:03:27.190 they made off with over 2 million
00:03:29.140 dollars in cash jewelry and rare coins
00:03:32.780 [Music]
00:03:37.340 detective Dennis pigan comp is assigned
00:03:39.770 to the case
00:03:41.800 my initial feelings that morning when we
00:03:44.930 first arrived at the scene was one of of
00:03:48.860 aw I realized the fact that these
00:03:52.819 suspects were excellent burglars they
00:03:56.480 would be extremely difficult to catch
00:03:58.330 they’d gone to a lot of work and it was
00:04:02.330 awesome we view this burglary in the
00:04:06.020 city as the crime of the century as far
00:04:08.360 as burglaries go the the method of
00:04:11.120 attack in the fact they got two million
00:04:13.220 dollars plus their ingenuity I had never
00:04:17.238 seen a burglary like this in 27 years
00:04:22.780 underneath the streets of Los Angeles a
00:04:25.340 subterranean highway of storm drains
00:04:27.020 exists detective pagan cop discovered
00:04:30.620 that the burglars had used these drains
00:04:32.360 to secretly travel to the bank they then
00:04:34.940 could tunnel undetected to the vaults
00:04:38.950 they dug 95 feet from the drain to the
00:04:42.350 bank the extraordinary tunnels were
00:04:46.130 approximately three and a half feet wide
00:04:47.690 by four and a half feet high all dug by
00:04:50.750 hand but finished with electric tools a
00:04:53.140 remarkable feat of precision engineering
00:04:56.410 the experts tell us that the type of
00:04:59.150 tunnels they dug were very safe tunnels
00:05:01.640 the size of the tunnels the shapes of
00:05:03.710 the tunnels were extremely expertly done
00:05:05.960 and the contour the tunnels were done as
00:05:08.930 such to add extra strength and
00:05:10.850 protection of those digging
00:05:14.080 police searched underground in a
00:05:15.849 three-mile radius of the bank looking
00:05:17.770 for signs of the robbers when we
00:05:21.220 conclude our investigation at First
00:05:22.870 Interstate Bank basically we were left
00:05:24.970 with no clues at all there was no
00:05:27.430 physical evidence left the suspects left
00:05:29.949 us nothing to work with and we were
00:05:32.830 basically handcuffed police had run out
00:05:37.900 of clues it seems as if the perfect
00:05:40.419 crime had been committed 14 months later
00:05:43.150 the daring bandit struck again they must
00:05:45.909 have known that their extraordinary
00:05:46.870 tactics were known to the authorities
00:05:48.669 but that didn’t deter them what is more
00:05:50.949 surprising the tunneling burglars came
00:05:53.110 within minutes of succeeding on Saturday
00:05:58.810 morning August 22nd 1987 the alarm
00:06:01.750 system went off at a Bank of America in
00:06:03.699 West Los Angeles police were called in
00:06:06.039 to investigate the assistant bank
00:06:10.539 manager opened the vault
00:06:12.100 [Music]
00:06:17.220 they discovered the vault had been
00:06:18.810 broken into apparently the burglars had
00:06:21.240 fled while a robbery was in progress on
00:06:23.270 the floor an 18 inch hole was cut
00:06:26.250 through the concrete when I got the
00:06:29.820 phone call from the officer at the bank
00:06:31.740 and he explained to me a hole in the
00:06:33.630 floor all I could think of was they’re
00:06:37.140 back they’ve done it again in how much
00:06:39.720 money did they get this time because
00:06:42.630 they were interrupted the thieves are
00:06:44.340 only able to steal $90,000 they left
00:06:48.090 behind their teachers and some work
00:06:49.710 clothes
00:06:54.320 the robbers also left an 18-inch Corbitt
00:06:57.510 a cutting tool used in construction to
00:07:00.000 bore large holes through cement this was
00:07:03.900 purchased in the San Francisco Bay Area
00:07:06.050 by a construction company using a
00:07:08.970 fictitious name and address in San Diego
00:07:11.610 and they paid cash so basically we knew
00:07:14.550 that it was probably a white male that
00:07:16.320 purchased it but no other information
00:07:22.130 again detectives searched miles of storm
00:07:24.810 drains for some clue as to the identity
00:07:26.520 of the bandits approximately three miles
00:07:31.320 from the bank they found a four-wheel
00:07:32.940 vehicle called a quad runner just inside
00:07:35.580 a storm drain entrance detected pagon
00:07:40.050 cop believes the tunnels were dug by
00:07:41.700 just two men apparently they use their
00:07:44.310 vehicles to carry their heavy equipment
00:07:45.660 underground that Corbett and drill alone
00:07:48.750 required a drill press that weight in
00:07:50.610 excess of 100 pounds
00:07:53.970 we came to the conclusion that the
00:07:56.260 suspects were very close friends
00:07:59.170 possibly army buddies able to work
00:08:02.080 together for long periods of time and
00:08:04.780 very confined areas taking up three to
00:08:08.080 six weeks probably to dig that one
00:08:09.820 tunnel the ticktick pagan cop also
00:08:16.300 believes a third man was involved since
00:08:18.550 clearly the burglars must have been
00:08:19.930 warned by someone outside the bank go in
00:08:28.060 there escape footprints indicated that
00:08:30.340 the burglars ran through the tunnel one
00:08:32.140 barefoot one in stocking feet
00:08:35.210 [Applause]
00:08:36.909 did they abandon one of their vehicles
00:08:38.890 and apparently escaped on foot for all
00:08:41.440 of their labors $90,000 must have been a
00:08:44.080 disappointing reward of all the
00:08:47.050 evidentiary recovered tools ladders
00:08:49.860 clothing
00:08:51.040 we had developed no fingerprints
00:08:54.550 whatsoever the only fingerprint we
00:08:56.320 developed was the on the quad Runner
00:08:59.260 itself
00:09:00.010 we got one latent print from that
00:09:01.900 vehicle that print has been run through
00:09:04.840 and compared with all arrestees and it’s
00:09:09.070 our opinion that this individual has
00:09:11.020 never been arrested police again went
00:09:17.350 underground looking for more evidence
00:09:19.630 [Music]
00:09:21.270 followed about a mile and a half from
00:09:25.600 the Bank of America they found another
00:09:27.640 tunnel completely finished this 102 foot
00:09:31.420 tunnel ended beneath a Beverly Hills
00:09:32.980 Bank and the mounting boats for the
00:09:34.930 drill were already in place under the
00:09:37.120 vault if they’d have been able to
00:09:40.240 accomplish both burglaries that weekend
00:09:42.960 it’s told to me by the people in the
00:09:46.330 banks in the banking industry that they
00:09:48.580 probably would have gotten away with
00:09:50.200 between 10 and 20 million dollars police
00:09:55.480 learned that the quad Runner was
00:09:56.830 purchased by a man using the name David
00:09:58.600 Spalding his only known address a post
00:10:00.820 office box in Hollywood one or two
00:10:04.090 people using this name apparently
00:10:05.620 purchased five of these distinctive
00:10:07.420 vehicles salespeople created two
00:10:10.900 composites of the same man he is a male
00:10:14.110 Caucasian around 35 years of age he’s
00:10:17.260 about 6 feet in height and rugged
00:10:19.030 looking as if used to outdoor labor next
00:10:24.370 the story of two people then pronounced
00:10:26.140 clinically dead and brought back to life
00:10:28.150 the experience has profoundly changed
00:10:30.250 their lives the stories they tell may
00:10:32.680 suggest what lies
00:10:34.000 after seven years ago on March a 13th
00:10:49.510 1982 a seven-year-old girl named crystal
00:10:52.810 merlok was attending a children’s
00:10:54.610 birthday party held at a local swimming
00:10:56.380 pool though she had just recently
00:11:02.080 learned to swim
00:11:03.280 crystal felt comfortable in the water we
00:11:07.090 went into the pool and we were just
00:11:10.360 playing down at the at the shallow end
00:11:12.370 for a while and then I don’t know why
00:11:14.440 but for some reason I went up to the
00:11:17.710 deep end where a group of boys pushed me
00:11:21.160 in that they didn’t know it and I just
00:11:24.550 start swelling water gasping for air
00:11:26.880 trying to grab up to the top of the
00:11:30.010 water I can give me air and so I just
00:11:34.810 fell unconscious
00:11:42.040 and then I was just in darkness era
00:11:55.100 medics rushed Krystle to a local
00:11:56.720 hospital where a team led by dr. Melvin
00:11:59.209 Morris feverishly worked to save her
00:12:00.980 life when she came in her pupils were
00:12:06.170 fixed and dilated
00:12:07.610 meaning that she probably had no brain
00:12:09.709 activity
00:12:10.520 she had none of the normal reflexes that
00:12:14.060 we associate with surviving she had
00:12:17.529 what’s called a Glasgow Coma score of 3
00:12:21.320 which very few people survive if they
00:12:24.380 have such a profound coma I did not
00:12:28.970 think that she would survive dr. Morris
00:12:32.810 said that she was so close to death that
00:12:35.209 to prepare yourself for her demise that
00:12:39.440 she could expire at any time there
00:12:42.589 wasn’t much chance given to her for her
00:12:46.310 long life after that event
00:12:48.490 [Music]
00:12:54.700 at 3:30 p.m. crystal merlok was
00:12:57.650 clinically dead 20 minutes later she was
00:13:00.530 brought back to life during the period
00:13:03.200 of time she’s being revived crystal
00:13:04.940 shared a common experience with
00:13:06.290 thousands of other Americans a
00:13:07.960 near-death experience are NDE almost
00:13:11.750 without exception these people describe
00:13:13.580 a journey to allow a beautiful light a
00:13:15.440 trip accompanied by an overwhelming
00:13:17.180 sense of well-being is this experience
00:13:20.270 an hallucination or evidence of a life
00:13:23.090 after death as crystal a near-death she
00:13:29.510 felt herself moving into darkness then
00:13:34.640 her eyes opened when she beheld a
00:13:36.680 wondrous sight I didn’t really know
00:13:42.380 where I was
00:13:43.310 it’s just I looked up and I saw this
00:13:46.160 bright light at the end of a tunnel and
00:13:49.810 there were colored bricks on the walls
00:13:52.760 of the tunnel
00:13:56.240 the light kinda pulled me toward it it
00:13:59.720 was just the most loving line I’ve ever
00:14:02.360 seen
00:14:06.330 and then I saw this lady she came to our
00:14:10.560 Leroy staff to end really slow she took
00:14:13.590 my hand she said I’m Elizabeth and I
00:14:16.320 will help you
00:14:18.260 she just led me into the light and
00:14:21.000 through the light and into heaven
00:14:26.140 I just felt that this was the place I
00:14:29.529 wanted to be crystal senses she was
00:14:37.990 floating over her body observing the
00:14:40.480 medical team as they attempted to save
00:14:42.279 her life when I was up there I saw the
00:14:46.570 doctors they were working on me they
00:14:50.290 were sticking things up my arm and at my
00:14:52.149 nose tell me breathe and I didn’t like
00:14:54.790 it that was one of the reasons I wanted
00:14:57.970 to stab that but when I got thinking
00:15:06.459 about how I wouldn’t be able to really
00:15:08.519 hug my mom again or anybody I really
00:15:13.390 loved then I said no I want to go back
00:15:17.140 and then I was back in my body
00:15:23.630 I wasn’t dead it I was still alive there
00:15:29.329 was still a part of me like my soul my
00:15:32.329 spirit was still alive I wasn’t dead at
00:15:35.600 all for at least 20 minutes crystal was
00:15:40.310 for all intents and purposes dead even
00:15:43.579 after she was revived the child was in a
00:15:45.680 coma for three days fortunately once she
00:15:49.190 returned home
00:15:50.060 crystal completely regained her health
00:15:54.250 crystal had never met dr. Moore’s the
00:15:56.720 man who saved her life but when they
00:15:58.699 were introduced he seemed familiar the
00:16:02.569 last time I had seen her she was
00:16:04.850 profoundly comatose she could not have
00:16:07.100 been in a deeper coma and still be alive
00:16:09.199 and then I saw her and follow-up two
00:16:12.800 weeks later I said you know hi I’m dr.
00:16:15.889 Morris you probably don’t remember me
00:16:17.959 but I sure know you crystal because I
00:16:20.540 spent you know grueling four hours
00:16:22.880 trying to bring you back to life and
00:16:25.310 then she turned to her mother and said
00:16:27.470 well no I have seen him before she
00:16:31.180 stated that she remembered seeing me
00:16:33.709 from the emergency room she said oh yes
00:16:38.480 I met you I saw you you were putting
00:16:42.110 something in my neck and she scowled at
00:16:46.100 him I saw his face and I knew him it was
00:16:50.480 just like I never seen him before and I
00:16:54.019 knew him she also described other
00:16:56.839 elements of her resuscitation she
00:16:58.759 described us pushing on her chest and
00:17:02.089 putting various lines in her she
00:17:04.520 described that she she told me first you
00:17:08.750 worked on me in the emergency room and
00:17:11.119 then you took me to another room you
00:17:13.720 know which was in fact true and when you
00:17:17.569 see a seven-year-old talk like that and
00:17:20.390 say things like that there is no reason
00:17:22.459 for you not to believe it you know it
00:17:24.289 comes straight from the heart
00:17:26.829 dr. Gabbard has studied these near-death
00:17:29.059 experiences and believes they may be
00:17:30.830 physical not metaphysical phenomena
00:17:34.530 the near-death experience can be
00:17:37.360 understood as deriving from a
00:17:39.880 fundamental psychological need to deny
00:17:42.520 the reality of death because it’s too
00:17:45.970 horrible to face the prospect that when
00:17:49.270 the body goes that’s it it’s very
00:17:52.090 tempting of course to suppose that these
00:17:54.670 experiences are explainable by some sort
00:17:57.250 of physiological events or biochemical
00:17:59.500 events going on in the brain at the
00:18:01.090 point of death or perhaps by
00:18:02.920 psychological principles that this is
00:18:05.110 just wish fulfillment that the mind is
00:18:07.120 unable to accept final death so makes up
00:18:10.120 this beautiful fantasy but in fact when
00:18:12.820 you carefully look at the reports I
00:18:14.950 think we’ve all concluded that something
00:18:17.140 very different is going on one reason
00:18:19.660 for this is that the patients are able
00:18:21.220 to tell us things about the
00:18:22.780 resuscitation attempt that they wouldn’t
00:18:24.970 have any way of knowing my own
00:18:27.750 subjective feeling after 23 years of
00:18:30.340 working with these patients is that I
00:18:32.230 have no doubt whatsoever that they had a
00:18:34.930 glimpse of the life Hereafter
00:18:36.680 [Music]
00:18:40.990 crystal has been to a place where her
00:18:43.190 friends and family have never gone she
00:18:45.650 is certain that this experience will
00:18:47.510 stay with her the rest of her life I
00:18:49.650 [Music]
00:18:50.950 have remembered this or at seven years I
00:18:54.940 cannot forget it
00:18:56.660 it’s always there it’s always been very
00:18:59.720 real to me and it’s always very clear to
00:19:04.160 me when we return the story of a man who
00:19:11.059 may have passed through death to the
00:19:12.500 other side
00:19:13.340 today his life has been transformed he
00:19:15.620 believes that life after death is a very
00:19:17.840 real possibility 20 thousands of people
00:19:25.100 have died and lived to tell the tale an
00:19:27.679 overwhelming number described the same
00:19:29.210 phenomenon a tunnel of light and a sense
00:19:31.700 of floating over their body one of the
00:19:34.549 strangest stories connected with a
00:19:35.870 near-death experience as told by a New
00:19:37.640 York man named Thomas Sawyer 10 years
00:19:40.400 ago his life was transformed by an
00:19:41.960 accident that occurred in his garage
00:19:43.510 today Tom Sawyer is literally a new man
00:19:49.670 [Music]
00:19:54.120 Tom Sawyer lives in upstate New York
00:19:56.130 works as a snow plow operator for 33
00:19:59.610 years he lived a normal uneventful life
00:20:01.950 [Music]
00:20:03.559 I’d have to describe myself as pretty
00:20:06.390 much an all-american boy you know with a
00:20:08.400 name like Tom Sawyer you have one of two
00:20:10.409 choices you can become a comedian and
00:20:13.520 outgoing or end up being an introvert
00:20:16.580 Tom turned to athletics during high
00:20:18.960 school and that propelled him to
00:20:20.250 popularity however his academic record
00:20:22.470 was lackluster for good reason from 7th
00:20:26.130 grade in grammar school right through
00:20:28.049 age 33 I never read a book
00:20:29.640 cover-to-cover I just dislike reading
00:20:32.880 immensely and I read nothing in his late
00:20:36.240 teens Tom race bicycles and a 1968
00:20:39.360 qualified for the Olympic team in 1967
00:20:43.260 he married Elaine and they had two sons
00:20:45.000 Tim and Todd tom was a family man a
00:20:48.990 blue-collar worker who prided himself on
00:20:51.390 his practicality prior to this
00:20:54.210 experience I had thought about such
00:20:56.340 things as religion and so on and I
00:20:58.260 thought that it was just a bunch of
00:20:59.429 foolishness
00:21:00.210 I would describe myself as an agnostic
00:21:03.529 what I had figured out was that when you
00:21:06.659 die you die the show is over everything
00:21:08.520 goes black and that’s it hand me the
00:21:13.230 needlenose pliers
00:21:14.309 when I had this experience I was
00:21:16.020 repairing my pickup truck
00:21:17.490 I had the front wheels off it and was
00:21:19.919 lying on my back and the truck suddenly
00:21:22.230 started to move
00:21:24.330 [Music]
00:21:31.600 when Todd ran and made the phone call I
00:21:34.519 heard it very clearly and vividly hello
00:21:37.539 my name is our there were other things
00:21:40.429 that I was able to hear that were
00:21:42.559 impossible for me to hear with my ears
00:21:44.450 and others with my normal hearing such
00:21:46.669 as the conversation of the paramedics
00:21:49.220 getting into the ambulance three and a
00:21:51.049 half miles away his wife screams brought
00:21:56.539 the neighbors and they worked
00:21:57.710 desperately to freedom as I went
00:22:05.779 unconscious
00:22:06.470 I then experienced a sensation or a
00:22:10.159 feeling of absolutely waking up it
00:22:12.740 wasn’t anything at all like waking up
00:22:14.960 from a sleep state it was like being
00:22:17.570 unconscious or absolutely asleep and
00:22:20.029 then like a click of the fingernail
00:22:21.529 absolutely awake the only problem with
00:22:24.470 this feeling of waking up was that all I
00:22:27.080 saw was darkness that darkness gradually
00:22:30.889 took the shape of the tunnel and way off
00:22:34.330 absolutely positively to infinity appear
00:22:37.730 this little speck of white light this
00:22:40.789 was the most beautiful thing that I’d
00:22:42.529 ever experienced in my life it was just
00:22:44.809 extraordinary
00:22:48.620 all the pressure of the truck being on
00:22:50.720 me in the horrendous pain that was gone
00:22:52.880 and I felt very comfortable
00:22:57.610 and that thing that I realized was that
00:22:59.830 I was motionless at the end of the
00:23:02.050 tunnel confronted by the light of God I
00:23:05.140 was confronted by heaven that light
00:23:08.320 included absolutely everything it was
00:23:11.500 the entire universe there was absolute
00:23:14.020 total knowledge I’ve had the opportunity
00:23:17.400 to ask any question at all and the
00:23:21.190 absolute unequivocal correct answer
00:23:23.830 would be emanated to me
00:23:25.150 I then experienced a complete total life
00:23:30.850 review it was every day every event
00:23:33.880 every minute and second in other words I
00:23:36.430 relive the Olympic Trials my merit all
00:23:38.740 of these things at the same time
00:23:46.550 I was then given a choice to return to
00:23:49.820 normal life or stay and become part of
00:23:52.250 this light I chose to stay and become
00:23:55.400 part of it light
00:23:58.539 but I then had a feeling of going
00:24:01.209 exactly reversal through the tunnel and
00:24:03.459 slamming back into my body finally as
00:24:11.199 paramedics arrived the truck was lifted
00:24:13.179 off and Sawyer was taken to the hospital
00:24:18.629 well I’m probably the only one you’ll
00:24:21.099 ever meet that’s been kicked out of
00:24:22.449 heaven because since I chose to stay and
00:24:24.940 become part of their life and I am back
00:24:27.159 here without any explanation at all one
00:24:29.649 of the logical deductive things that you
00:24:31.899 could assume was that I would got kicked
00:24:33.519 out for some reason or another
00:24:37.949 surprisingly Sawyer left the hospital
00:24:39.969 the same day of his accident he had no
00:24:42.609 broken bones that we suffered from some
00:24:44.469 internal bleeding according to medical
00:24:47.379 reports Tom had been deprived of oxygen
00:24:49.690 for 15 minutes
00:24:52.679 I’ve a Glee recall the right hug that
00:24:56.709 was an extreme pain of course and I was
00:24:58.569 just sitting in the backseat by myself
00:25:00.339 moaning and groaning from the pain but
00:25:03.549 apparently when I was riding home all of
00:25:06.099 a sudden I blurted out and said all was
00:25:08.139 so beautiful
00:25:09.869 any laying turn on said what was so
00:25:12.459 beautiful what are you talking about
00:25:13.749 well I didn’t answer her at all and I
00:25:16.089 just continued to moan and groan for the
00:25:17.979 rest of the ride home
00:25:20.190 Elaine said to me don’t you know what’s
00:25:22.989 happened don’t you know what you’ve had
00:25:24.519 that’s called a near-death experience
00:25:26.829 whereupon my response was well I don’t
00:25:29.589 believe in any of that hocus-pocus
00:25:30.969 baloney but shortly after I recuperated
00:25:35.229 from the injuries from this accident I
00:25:37.869 started saying things that I didn’t
00:25:40.749 understand and my wife Elaine didn’t
00:25:42.669 understand and one particular day I was
00:25:45.819 watching television and I kind of
00:25:47.799 blurted out max-planck and I said it
00:25:51.069 just like that who who’s that so of
00:25:54.519 course I asked my family if they knew
00:25:56.169 who that was and Elaine said no I don’t
00:25:59.169 know who it is and then she asked me do
00:26:01.959 you know who it is and my answer was
00:26:03.999 well no but you’ll be hearing more about
00:26:06.159 him in the near future
00:26:11.300 Alaine encouraged him to write down his
00:26:13.650 thoughts Tom began to jot down complex
00:26:16.830 equations equations that could only have
00:26:19.500 been understood by a master of quantum
00:26:21.330 physics Tom also drew symbols like the
00:26:24.870 Greek letter Sai sometimes I would write
00:26:28.620 something down and know that it was
00:26:30.180 correct but I have no idea what it was
00:26:31.860 known as I would write down a
00:26:33.660 mathematical equation while I had
00:26:35.870 geometry in some algebra in high school
00:26:38.309 but this had symbols like triangles and
00:26:40.980 things like that in in an attempt to
00:26:45.960 find out the meaning of these arcane
00:26:47.610 symbols Sawyer went to the Rochester
00:26:49.890 library he was directed to the physics
00:26:55.800 section and asked for guidance from a
00:26:57.690 man he met at the stacks the man
00:27:01.140 suggested a textbook that contained
00:27:02.880 information on quantum physics and
00:27:04.740 biographies of its pioneering founders
00:27:06.840 Wow yeah I think possibly you might find
00:27:11.490 this one interesting thank you when I
00:27:17.010 opened it there were two things that
00:27:19.950 stood out on that page there was the
00:27:22.260 symbol sigh in the middle of the
00:27:24.179 paragraph and there was a title just
00:27:26.610 underneath a picture of a man and it
00:27:28.260 said Max Planck the most common things
00:27:35.940 we hear from people who have had
00:27:37.170 near-death experiences are that they
00:27:39.480 have a much greater sense now of being
00:27:41.070 part of something larger than themselves
00:27:42.710 they become interested in what could we
00:27:44.910 call the spiritual aspects of their
00:27:46.920 lives they are no longer invested in
00:27:49.500 things like individual fame fortune
00:27:53.270 material rewards competitiveness they’re
00:27:57.510 much more involved in cooperation in
00:28:00.030 helping others than they were before
00:28:01.550 started being more loving person
00:28:03.929 he started caring about myself in a lot
00:28:07.530 of strangers or loved people he helped a
00:28:10.020 lot anybody needed help you would help
00:28:11.610 these people have undergone profound and
00:28:14.880 dramatic changes and their personality
00:28:16.980 and their lifestyle and their values all
00:28:19.410 of them talk about the import
00:28:20.880 of interpersonal relationships learning
00:28:23.790 how to love others a great sense of the
00:28:26.370 importance of wisdom and understanding
00:28:28.140 and certainly a renewed appreciation of
00:28:31.050 life this is a genuine spiritual
00:28:33.480 experience which profoundly and
00:28:35.640 dramatically changes the way they are
00:28:38.070 from then on out one of the real dangers
00:28:42.780 of all the attention the near-death
00:28:46.950 experience is getting in the media is it
00:28:49.740 a might romanticized death it might lead
00:28:52.980 people who are contemplating suicide to
00:28:56.100 think that death is a wonderful
00:28:58.680 experience I suppose the new death
00:29:01.380 experience does romanticize death in
00:29:03.480 that regard but if you listen to what
00:29:05.430 near-death experiences are saying
00:29:06.900 they’re saying it also romantic eyes
00:29:08.850 –is life it makes life so much more
00:29:11.340 meaningful more purposeful more
00:29:12.870 beautiful than it was before
00:29:14.130 that suicide just becomes a not an
00:29:17.490 option anymore people have asked me if
00:29:19.730 death is so wonderful and so sensational
00:29:22.740 and you want to be part of that light
00:29:24.270 why don’t you kill yourself that’s very
00:29:26.580 important to me to stay to everybody
00:29:28.380 that suicide is an absolute
00:29:30.510 impossibility for me you know it’s not
00:29:33.780 only a social and legal nono it’s a
00:29:39.090 moral and spiritual nono also to even
00:29:41.700 think of or consider suicide
00:29:43.590 I think the way these people will
00:29:45.810 respond to the experience and the degree
00:29:49.170 of change that they experience after it
00:29:51.330 points to a tremendously powerful force
00:29:53.760 the types of changes they experience
00:29:55.680 afterwards the unusual abilities they
00:29:57.240 have to afterwards point to something
00:29:58.830 far greater than we’re aware of now our
00:30:01.050 usual explanations of the way the brain
00:30:02.670 the way the mind works in terms of
00:30:04.290 physiology just don’t explain what’s
00:30:06.390 going on something larger at work here
00:30:08.520 than we’re aware of yet
00:30:15.200 are these strange journeys only a
00:30:17.580 prelude to a life after death or are
00:30:19.950 they hallucinations
00:30:21.230 religions around the world of grapple
00:30:23.340 with a metaphysical aspects of these
00:30:24.870 questions and scientists have tried to
00:30:26.910 explain it in physical terms
00:30:28.620 clearly death and what comes after is a
00:30:31.680 most profound unsolved mystery of them
00:30:34.110 all on a previous broadcast we examine
00:30:45.000 the story of Dan Whillans a mysterious
00:30:47.430 prospector who spent his life searching
00:30:49.050 for gold in the Canadian wilderness we
00:30:51.630 asked our audience to help locate his
00:30:53.280 unknown heirs in 1926 woolens was
00:31:00.090 panning at Red Lake in the province of
00:31:01.860 Ontario when he found gold
00:31:03.780 he and his partner staked their claim
00:31:05.610 and established one of the most
00:31:07.140 profitable small gold mines in Canadian
00:31:09.540 history in 1936 dan Wilden set out into
00:31:14.130 the wilderness to do some solitary
00:31:15.870 prospecting he was never seen again
00:31:18.500 woolens left behind in a state of almost
00:31:20.850 100 thousand dollars which today may be
00:31:23.250 worth as much as three and a half
00:31:24.900 million dollars it has remained
00:31:26.940 unclaimed for more than 50 years update
00:31:32.520 within days of our broadcast
00:31:34.590 Davy Williams a New York businessman
00:31:36.480 called our 800 number claiming he might
00:31:38.760 be one of the heirs to Dan Williams
00:31:40.440 fortunately my grandfather we have
00:31:45.000 determined came from the UK to Ontario
00:31:47.790 in 1895 at that time he was 11 years of
00:31:51.900 age we believe he traveled with another
00:31:55.020 family member and we also have been told
00:31:57.600 that there was a cousin someplace up in
00:32:00.240 the outback of Ontario but there was
00:32:02.430 never any contact with that individual
00:32:04.410 through the years so when this unsolved
00:32:07.140 mysteries program aired and this Dan
00:32:09.660 Willens a Bushman from Ontario was was
00:32:12.210 disclosed it certainly was an exciting
00:32:14.730 possible link for our family tree
00:32:17.130 searching
00:32:18.450 Davee wooden scooter Toronto to meet Joe
00:32:20.910 Perkins one of mandolins last surviving
00:32:23.040 friends he brought along photographs of
00:32:25.560 his grandfather Harold Willis and his
00:32:27.330 great-grandfather John Doe is to see if
00:32:29.460 there was a family resemblance with
00:32:32.880 uncanny I couldn’t believe the
00:32:36.480 similarity of the face no spacing the
00:32:41.070 eye forehead and I think if you took the
00:32:46.500 beard off the old man they’d look like
00:32:50.250 twins indeed there does seem to be a
00:32:53.910 strong resemblance our great-grandfather
00:32:56.220 John grandfather Harold and prospector
00:32:58.800 Dan Williams all blood relatives is
00:33:01.470 Davey and heir to Dan Williams fortune
00:33:04.700 certainly money is important everybody
00:33:06.810 and if the Ontario government is holding
00:33:09.510 considerable assets that could
00:33:11.250 rightfully be claimed by a Whillans then
00:33:13.530 I’d like to see that happen I don’t know
00:33:15.600 if it’ll be me and my cousins or not but
00:33:18.030 maybe now we can get some will answers
00:33:20.460 to come forward and maybe we do have a
00:33:22.650 strong case to be made and certainly we
00:33:25.320 are going to take the next steps to
00:33:26.910 pursue that possibility
00:33:29.220 [Music]
00:33:37.790 in a moment the story of a 46 year old
00:33:40.770 repent who was brutally murdered in a
00:33:42.570 quiet town in rural Ohio police have
00:33:45.210 three bizarre theories no suspects
00:33:51.940 [Music]
00:33:59.080 May the 23rd 1982 in the small town of
00:34:02.649 Hamer’s Ville oh hi Oh fifteen year old
00:34:04.809 boy riding his Paris lawnmower back home
00:34:07.029 after a mowing job made a terrible
00:34:09.040 discovery it was a man’s body nude and
00:34:15.309 beaten that night the man would be
00:34:18.429 identified as 46 year old Herman Gilbert
00:34:20.980 an appliance repairman who lived just
00:34:23.440 seven miles from the place his body was
00:34:25.359 found the most puzzling thing about
00:34:28.480 premon Gilbert’s murder is that he
00:34:30.309 appeared to those who knew him delete
00:34:31.629 such a normal non-controversial life yet
00:34:34.719 some believe that just beneath the
00:34:36.010 comforting small-town facade dark forces
00:34:38.530 swirled as a citizens of Clermont County
00:34:41.500 Ohio discuss Perman Gilbert’s murder
00:34:43.500 phrases like organized crime drug
00:34:46.540 trafficking and jealous husband began to
00:34:49.179 surface Gilbert was a beloved husband
00:34:53.440 and father of four he and his family
00:34:55.569 belonged to the Church of Christ and
00:34:57.430 participated in the civic life of the
00:34:59.170 rural Ohio County where they had lived
00:35:00.970 their whole lives premon Gilbert
00:35:04.210 remained close to his siblings
00:35:05.530 especially his youngest brother who was
00:35:07.450 always in and out of trouble with the
00:35:08.950 law
00:35:10.140 Herman’s hobby was flying but he was
00:35:12.490 employed as an appliance repairman
00:35:14.520 assigned by a nationally known company
00:35:16.900 as their troubleshooter he worked for
00:35:19.329 the large firm during the week but on
00:35:20.950 Saturdays premon made independent
00:35:22.839 service calls answering only to himself
00:35:26.069 when he left that Saturday morning it
00:35:28.690 was probably 8:30 and he said he didn’t
00:35:32.170 want to go and it just now it bothers me
00:35:35.619 I that’s what I remember about him
00:35:38.109 leaving that morning
00:35:41.390 Bremen Gilbert service appointments at
00:35:43.890 Saturday morning took him to Mount Orab
00:35:45.599 Ohio and also further south to
00:35:48.690 Georgetown and Aberdeen Ohio
00:35:51.020 hi mr. Gilbert how are you fine just
00:35:53.940 call me perm perm I keep smelling gas in
00:35:56.609 my kitchen I think it’s my pilot light
00:35:58.079 gilbert service calls had put him at the
00:36:00.000 southernmost tip of ohio when the calls
00:36:03.510 were completed he crossed the Simon
00:36:05.099 Kenton bridge into Maysville Kentucky
00:36:06.690 and stopped in at a large market and
00:36:08.730 variety store and Brees who works at the
00:36:12.960 market checkout counter remembers his
00:36:14.880 visit that Saturday he was tall a
00:36:19.260 nice-looking man
00:36:20.670 he was always bearing me greeted you you
00:36:24.150 know very friendly every time you saw
00:36:26.520 him I never saw the man down or act like
00:36:29.130 he had a care in the world would usually
00:36:39.059 say that to me and he knew that I
00:36:40.740 wouldn’t go to lunch with him you know
00:36:42.630 just usual chit chatter when Berman left
00:36:46.500 the market checkout counter he walked
00:36:48.359 into the flower shop next door he pushed
00:36:53.069 the buzzer I came from the back and I
00:36:56.010 could help him he’d like to know if
00:36:59.460 another employee was here and I said no
00:37:02.279 she doesn’t come in till 4:00 and if I
00:37:04.710 could help him anyway and he said no he
00:37:06.990 wanted to order some flowers and they
00:37:09.180 knew what he wanted and everything and
00:37:11.460 he said he would come back later she
00:37:14.099 knows what I wanted okay thank you there
00:37:17.460 was nothing unusual about him here just
00:37:19.170 a normal customer he wasn’t nervous or
00:37:21.630 anything when I when I met him
00:37:24.960 no one can account for Perlman Gilbert’s
00:37:27.390 movements after he left the flower shop
00:37:29.339 he had told his wife he would be back
00:37:31.380 home around 3 p.m.
00:37:33.440 he did not arrive then it got to be dark
00:37:37.940 and he wasn’t here it got to be midnight
00:37:41.319 and I was scared and I was afraid to go
00:37:45.650 out even I had a small child and I was
00:37:49.520 afraid to put her in the car and go out
00:37:50.900 looking and then I think about three
00:37:54.710 o’clock in the morning I called one of
00:37:56.150 our friends and you know do you have you
00:37:58.670 seen Berman do you know where he said
00:38:00.980 anything like that and they didn’t
00:38:04.990 Joanne Gilbert called the police they
00:38:08.240 were unable to turn up any leads until
00:38:09.980 late the next afternoon when her
00:38:11.630 husband’s body was found
00:38:13.630 he was completely nude he didn’t have
00:38:17.240 any clothes on that bothers me I would
00:38:20.210 like to know why that was done I’ve
00:38:24.589 heard it’s to humiliate the family I
00:38:26.780 don’t know that’s why it was done maybe
00:38:29.930 it was done to can make it longer to
00:38:33.410 identify him because no cloth fibers
00:38:37.880 were found in the two bullet wounds
00:38:39.520 Clermont County police believe that
00:38:41.660 Perman had been naked above the waist at
00:38:43.730 the time he was shot
00:38:46.610 [Music]
00:38:49.180 Herman’s billfold carrying the symbol of
00:38:51.500 the Masons was missing along with his
00:38:53.089 clothes so is the masonic belt buckle he
00:38:55.700 always wore
00:38:59.350 although permis clothes were never found
00:39:01.540 his van was located the next day 22
00:39:04.810 miles away from the spot where his body
00:39:06.730 had been discovered Hermann Gilbert’s
00:39:09.760 watch was still hanging on the gearshift
00:39:11.860 lever his tool box was him there parts
00:39:17.230 and supplies was in place in the van we
00:39:20.740 did do an inspection of the van and
00:39:25.450 recover fingerprints and hair samples
00:39:27.700 and at this time we have not been able
00:39:30.910 to match the fingerprints and hair
00:39:33.190 samples to anyone in the investigation
00:39:37.960 that followed Bremen Gilbert’s death
00:39:39.400 three theories evolved I think that that
00:39:43.660 whatever happened to him had something
00:39:45.520 to do with drugs Herman was a licensed
00:39:49.330 pilot he owned a small plane which he
00:39:51.670 flew out of a makeshift landing strip on
00:39:53.530 his farm
00:39:58.730 Harlen told me that he had been
00:40:02.360 approached to fly drugs just a little
00:40:12.720 trip and all we had to do was to take
00:40:15.750 the airplane and fly it to a certain
00:40:18.930 airport
00:40:19.680 go and have a cup of coffee come back
00:40:22.410 out and there would be money laying on
00:40:24.120 the seat or under the seat these guys so
00:40:29.880 quit bugging me I’m gonna call the
00:40:31.050 authorities and it would have been easy
00:40:33.420 money but that’s against the law and it
00:40:36.930 was against everything that we believed
00:40:38.370 in I believe that he knew too much about
00:40:42.330 what was going on as far as who was
00:40:44.310 involved with drugs and he wasn’t
00:40:45.980 because he would not go along with her
00:40:48.270 plan that he was beaten and killed
00:40:50.580 because of it the second theory revolves
00:40:54.570 around premon Gilbert’s youngest brother
00:40:56.460 Vernon Vernon was 12 years younger than
00:40:59.700 Perman and they were devoted to one
00:41:01.170 another in February of 1982 when Vernon
00:41:06.810 was called to testify in an organized
00:41:08.520 crime case Hermann stood by him okay it
00:41:12.510 should be about an hour so thanks the
00:41:19.200 actual hearings were closed to the
00:41:20.730 public and Perman had to kill time while
00:41:23.640 his brother was testifying he began to
00:41:26.820 suspect that he was being followed
00:41:31.520 Herman Gilbert had told acquaintances
00:41:34.160 that he felt at the day at the federal
00:41:37.910 court building that a man was following
00:41:41.270 him around I don’t know of any person
00:41:44.900 that might have been following Perman
00:41:47.150 Gilbert and it was not any of our
00:41:48.680 personnel perhaps premon Gilbert had
00:41:52.490 become a target of organized crime maybe
00:41:55.310 my husband knew too much
00:41:57.400 maybe Herman was killed to lure his
00:42:01.250 brother back to the funeral and because
00:42:03.320 they were after him really and but then
00:42:06.890 his brother didn’t come to this funeral
00:42:10.180 the third theory is that permanent may
00:42:13.010 have been involved in a crime of passion
00:42:21.610 the very nature of Herman Gilbert’s home
00:42:25.070 appliance repair business placed him
00:42:28.040 into many many households alone with a
00:42:31.340 family member
00:42:33.100 yes I thought it was very attractive in
00:42:35.690 I know other women were very attracted
00:42:38.060 to him – he was tall about 6 –
00:42:42.760 well-built had nice hair pretty eyes and
00:42:48.080 a nice-looking man
00:42:51.530 I really didn’t know about his death
00:42:54.950 until someone from in his home area came
00:42:59.330 through said there was one or two
00:43:01.940 theories but one was that they thought
00:43:05.200 jealous boyfriend her husband had killed
00:43:08.210 him I feel at the crime of passion
00:43:11.000 theory doesn’t hold up because that’s
00:43:15.620 supposed to be something that’s very
00:43:17.120 Swift and they beat around on him like
00:43:20.690 someone was trying to get information
00:43:22.190 out of him or something what we need now
00:43:25.190 is for someone to come forward and help
00:43:27.410 us trace perman Gilbert from that flower
00:43:32.390 shop
00:43:32.930 anyone that has seen him around the
00:43:36.560 flower shop or in the parking lot with
00:43:40.220 his cream and brown van at that time or
00:43:44.030 later in the day we’d like to hear from
00:43:46.030 and I feel like there are people out
00:43:48.260 there in the community that know what
00:43:49.760 happened to my father
00:43:50.960 and for fear of their own lives for
00:43:53.600 other people they’re afraid to speak up
00:43:55.130 I wish that they would come forward and
00:43:57.260 fill in those bits and pieces for us
00:43:59.880 [Music]
00:44:11.670 next week on unsolved mysteries an
00:44:14.440 examination of the legend of Billy the
00:44:16.420 Kid that suggests history may have to be
00:44:18.340 rewritten most historians and Hollywood
00:44:20.980 screen versions claim that Billy was
00:44:22.450 dramatically gunned down by his friend
00:44:24.040 Sheriff Pat Garrett in 1881 but the
00:44:26.950 people of tiny heiko Texas say that’s
00:44:28.960 all bunk at one of their own citizens a
00:44:31.780 man named brushy bill Roberts was a real
00:44:34.120 Billy the Kid that he died in 1950 69
00:44:37.840 years after the famous gunfight we’ll
00:44:40.540 examine the evidence next week on
00:44:42.550 unsolved mystery
00:44:46.160 [Music]